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Re: Week 2
« Reply #28 on: September 13, 2021, 10:00:39 AM »
Regarding the FCS/FBS note earlier in the thread...

I was busy with tractor work most of the weekend (spread 10+ loads of dirt for a new barn build) so I didn't see this until this morning but FCS Jacksonville State knocked off FSU (yes, Florida State) on a "hail mary".  I don't consider it a hail mary, thus the quotes, because it was more like a regular pass.  FSU just blew the coverage and got lazy on the tackle/pursuit.  


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Re: Week 2
« Reply #29 on: September 13, 2021, 10:38:20 AM »
The Texas defense held on as long as they could. 5 three-and-out drives by the Texas offense (out of 7 in the first half) left them gasping. Arky played heavy run, and that's a load to contain.

It'd be nice to have that miracle where all of a sudden last season's OL problems disappeared under a new OL coach, but the truth is OLs only get better when they face a defense that doesn't care if the star players get hurt. Practice just doesn't simulate the game.

Arky dared Hudson Card to beat them. He has the skills, but he lacked the guts. Not surprising, but he played tight when he needed to play fast. He was a first year QB making his first road start against a fanatical adversary, and it showed. Again, you can't simulate it. You just have to live through it.

One game doesn't make a trend either way, no matter how frustrating. Texas now sees its weaknesses. Rice won't tell us if they're fixed, but right now, they're a good opponent to continue the experiment.

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Re: Week 2
« Reply #30 on: September 13, 2021, 11:18:35 AM »
It should be hilarious to be in the SEC with them.

"Hilarious" is one word for it.  

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Re: Week 2
« Reply #31 on: September 13, 2021, 12:00:47 PM »
The Texas defense held on as long as they could. 5 three-and-out drives by the Texas offense (out of 7 in the first half) left them gasping. Arky played heavy run, and that's a load to contain.

It'd be nice to have that miracle where all of a sudden last season's OL problems disappeared under a new OL coach, but the truth is OLs only get better when they face a defense that doesn't care if the star players get hurt. Practice just doesn't simulate the game.

Arky dared Hudson Card to beat them. He has the skills, but he lacked the guts. Not surprising, but he played tight when he needed to play fast. He was a first year QB making his first road start against a fanatical adversary, and it showed. Again, you can't simulate it. You just have to live through it.

One game doesn't make a trend either way, no matter how frustrating. Texas now sees its weaknesses. Rice won't tell us if they're fixed, but right now, they're a good opponent to continue the experiment.
actually its been two games and there is a trend

the trend is to run the ball even with 8 men in the box

I dont blame the QB but I do blame the play selection from the coaches

There was no real threat from the pass

is there anything wrong with passing on first down every now and then

Card is a much better passer then hes being given a chance to show
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Re: Week 2
« Reply #32 on: September 13, 2021, 12:13:33 PM »
protecting a young QB isn't the worst thing in football
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Re: Week 2
« Reply #33 on: September 13, 2021, 12:15:45 PM »
Forget Card.  The question is why were UT's lines getting pushed around on both sides of the ball.  Seems Texas recruits plenty well enough that Arkansas shouldn't be treating them that way.  Something with the coaching is not yet clicking there, it will probably have to be the first thing to get right, no matter what Hudson is or isn't.  

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Re: Week 2
« Reply #34 on: September 13, 2021, 01:07:00 PM »
Your OL problems can't be fixed in practice. The defense is friendly, and you've seen their tendencies. Only when facing an angry defense who don't care if your star players get hurt can you know where your OL is. Texas has had OL problems forever. They're improving, but still subpar.

Card just freaked. He's a 19 year old kid facing his first road game full of hostile fans. I understand why, but he freaked. Every play called has either a run or a pass component to it, depending on defensive alignments. He consistently misread the alignment, went to the wrong play, and gave the ball to the RB when a clear "keep" read was indicated.

He missed underneath route receivers constantly, leading to panic and sacks. Towards the end of his time, he flat out bricked three wide open TD receivers in a row.

I'm not condemning him at all. His position demands strong mental fortitude. Unlike the physical part (he has that nailed), the only way to earn mental toughness is to be placed in tough situations. Texas lost a football game because Card panicked. It happens. We've lost games before, often for less understandable reasons. However, he needs to internalize that experience and grow. Otherwise it just keeps happening.

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Re: Week 2
« Reply #35 on: September 13, 2021, 07:04:25 PM »
I'm not sure exactly how far you're going with your assertion.  I don't buy that OL's can't become great prior to game time experience.  I've seen way too many lines who come roaring out of the gate.  And most teams tend to know what they have in their OL.  It's more rare than not for a staff or even fanbase to say "Hmm, I really thought we would be better/worse than this."  Again, I don't know if that's your assertion or not.  

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Re: Week 2
« Reply #36 on: September 15, 2021, 10:21:42 PM »
The Texas defense held on as long as they could. 5 three-and-out drives by the Texas offense (out of 7 in the first half) left them gasping. Arky played heavy run, and that's a load to contain.

It'd be nice to have that miracle where all of a sudden last season's OL problems disappeared under a new OL coach, but the truth is OLs only get better when they face a defense that doesn't care if the star players get hurt. Practice just doesn't simulate the game.

Arky dared Hudson Card to beat them. He has the skills, but he lacked the guts. Not surprising, but he played tight when he needed to play fast. He was a first year QB making his first road start against a fanatical adversary, and it showed. Again, you can't simulate it. You just have to live through it.

One game doesn't make a trend either way, no matter how frustrating. Texas now sees its weaknesses. Rice won't tell us if they're fixed, but right now, they're a good opponent to continue the experiment.
I was just looking in on the "USC Fires Helton" thread on the Big Ten board.  CincyDawg took the thread into a discussion of blue-blood programs that are "down" and the likelihood that they will come back.
One of the programs was Texas.  The consensus of comments on Texas was that Texas still recruits at a high level, which should mean that it's just a matter of getting a good coach.  Which reminded me of something I heard on the radio today.
Something interesting and hard to believe was put out on sports radio today by a blowhard named Jim Traber.  He played QB (maybe just his freshman year) and 1B (for the whole time he was there) at Oklahoma State.  He went on to play a few years with the Baltimore Orioles as Eddie Murray's backup, then finished his baseball career embarrassing himself and America in Japan.  Since then, he has been in broadcasting.
His assertion: Texas has had three offensive linemen drafted since 2008, while Vanderbilt has had six offensive linemen drafted since 2008.
Can that be true?  Surely it can't be true, can it?  The Texas part, that is.
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Re: Week 2
« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2021, 10:44:31 PM »
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Re: Week 2
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2021, 11:23:21 PM »
Thanks, 320.

That's really surprising.  Surely that is related to the Horns' offensive struggles that began in the latter part of the Mack Brown era.

But is it a cause-effect relationship?  And if it is, which is the cause and which is the effect?
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Re: Week 2
« Reply #39 on: September 16, 2021, 10:08:36 AM »
how many O-line coaches in that time, because the recruiting stars have been there
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Re: Week 2
« Reply #40 on: September 16, 2021, 10:29:14 AM »
how many O-line coaches in that time, because the recruiting stars have been there
3 different head coaches*

Maybe double that many different OCs.

And even more than that different o-line coaches.

But are you sure the "stars have been there" for o-line recruits?  Overall Texas recruiting has still been decent, but has it been specifically at the o-line position?  I'm asking because I have no idea, I don't follow that stuff.  But I DO know we've had had some recent, major, widely publicized recruiting misses on legacy o-line talent that should have been a shoe-in for Texas, so I'm not so sure this is a correct statement regarding o-line stars.

Anyway, the stat doesn't surprise me.  The last REALLY good o-line we had was 2006.  Since then, it has ranged from below-average, to downright awful.




*(not counting Sark yet because he hasn't had a draft cycle of o-line he actually coached).

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Re: Week 2
« Reply #41 on: September 16, 2021, 10:31:07 AM »
I have to keep going back to the way the Mack era ended.
For all the good Mack did (and it was a ton of good), he and his staff ran out of gas several seasons before he left. Colt's brilliance papered over a lot, but the work ethic both from the coaches and consequently the players dropped several notches. I believe that, when TPTB nudged Mack out the door, they really though Nick Saban was on his way over. Not only was that not happening, but DeLoss Dodd rode off as well. For as annoying as the big boss can be, he really presided over the transformation of the Texas Athletic Department from a department at a University into a global brand.

I'm not sure how Steve Patterson ended up as the AD, but this was a pivotally poor decision. His specialty is cheap. He can theoretically help a cash strapped pro team survive lean years. This is NOT the Texas Athletics Department. You pay for experience, and Steve wasn't paying for anything. I'm a believer in Charlie Strong, and believe he was getting educated in how to be a head coach. His pedigree was defense, he didn't know offense, and Texas was buying him an education by losing football games.

I don't believe Herman was ever going to learn because he thought Urban Meyer taught him all he'd ever need to know. Like a poor dog trainer, he thought that if he just beat the animal harder, eventually it'd do things the right way. Kids already mad at losing Charlie Strong weren't playing that game.

After we lost Colt, Mack thought we should have Alabama's offense. Strong took it and thought we should have no offense. Herman wanted tOSU's offense.

I believe Texas has the perfect staff for its mission right now. I think what we saw last Saturday was largely on-field panic when things weren't working. Card was indecisive as only a 19 year old making his second start on the road against a historic rival could be. When things got ugly, the OL abandoned their drilling and reverted to 4 years of muscle memory - which was regrettably poor form and no real direction. They lack a field sergeant to grab their facemask and re-focus everyone's brain. One must emerge if Texas is to escape similar situations (and they'll come up).

No substitute for experience. Texas has good players and a fantastic staff. For the first time in a decade, everyone is pulling the same direction. You can't skip steps though.

 

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