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utee94 · « **Reply #5684 on:** June 24, 2024, 06:38:27 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 24, 2024, 06:02:56 PM

I usually have lunch with my pitching coach after a lesson (Pete Smith). I asked him about his being a pitching coach at some college and his response was "It's all political now, who you know, not what you know."

He has shown me a ton of stuff, some small technique oriented things I never knew, and some pretty large I should have known. I KNOW he could benefit your average college level 19 year old pitcher, even if the guy has been getting decent coaching all along (which might not be true).

I have a notion it's the same with a HC. The assistants in baseball may be more important than the HC at the college level. Kids come in fairly raw, even if they've played travel ball out the yin and yang.

There is so much technique that has to be done the right way every time, so you have to repeat it the right way every time, over and over. I'm still working on getting my plant foot being more consistent. I can tell when it wonders because my control wonders. No wonder. Driving with your left arm is an amazing technique I never knew.

Well I suppose there's a reason they call them "managers."

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5685 on:** June 24, 2024, 06:43:28 PM »

Yeah, I'd guess a college BB "manager" does little coaching, with some occasional exceptions.

I see HC's in football apparently doing some coaching during the game, not all of them of course.

Mr Tulip · « **Reply #5686 on:** June 25, 2024, 10:29:36 AM »

I can tell you that without Kyle Flood (the Texas OL coach), Sark would just be a smart guy with a lot of interesting offensive play calling concepts. When the large humans let the ball carriers work, it looks like brilliance (and it is).

I can't speak to that degree with college baseball. I guess it'd be a truism that pitching is where it's at, and Texas keeps lacking it, but I don't imagine that helps much.

utee94 · « **Reply #5687 on:** June 25, 2024, 10:36:08 AM »

Quote from: Mr Tulip on June 25, 2024, 10:29:36 AM

I can tell you that without Kyle Flood (the Texas OL coach), Sark would just be a smart guy with a lot of interesting offensive play calling concepts. When the large humans let the ball carriers work, it looks like brilliance (and it is).

I can't speak to that degree with college baseball. I guess it'd be a truism that pitching is where it's at, and Texas keeps lacking it, but I don't imagine that helps much.

Rumor is that a couple of weeks ago when Texas was eliminated from the College Station regional, Del Conte met with Pierce to let him know the direction he was planning on going, and Pierce suggested firing the pitching coach and giving him one more year. Obviously, del Conte decided not to go that route.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5688 on:** June 25, 2024, 10:42:35 AM »

College baseball suffers, I think, from having MLB drafting out of HS. My "coach" was a first rounder out of HS, he told me he had been looking at colleges, but then ...

He's a smart guy. Had baseball had football rules, he would have pitched in college for three years, and presuming he didn't ruin his arm, then signed first round money.

He had an interesting path through the minors, a lot of fun stories. He's also a coach at Fantasy Baseball in January which is how I got to know him. I've been on his team four times now. I've been nine times total now, and have three rings, but none lately.

utee94 · « **Reply #5689 on:** June 25, 2024, 11:12:16 AM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on June 25, 2024, 10:42:35 AM

College baseball suffers, I think, from having MLB drafting out of HS. My "coach" was a first rounder out of HS, he told me he had been looking at colleges, but then ...

He's a smart guy. Had baseball had football rules, he would have pitched in college for three years, and presuming he didn't ruin his arm, then signed first round money.

He had an interesting path through the minors, a lot of fun stories. He's also a coach at Fantasy Baseball in January which is how I got to know him. I've been on his team four times now. I've been nine times total now, and have three rings, but none lately.

Sure but this is nothing new, it's always been this way. The best college coaching staffs are the ones that can get the best out of the guys that DON'T go into professional baseball right out of high school.

Gigem · « **Reply #5690 on:** June 25, 2024, 11:21:29 AM »

I mean, I guess UT could moneywhip Schloss, but the question is would A&M match? We're paying our football coach $70 million to get lost, what's a few more $$$ for the best baseball coach we've ever had, and we're just getting started !

I assume as long as we're able to recuit well, and have top notch facilities, what is there really to leave for? I understand they're about to do a big reno on Blue Bell Park anyways.

FearlessF · « **Reply #5691 on:** June 25, 2024, 11:37:09 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on June 25, 2024, 11:12:16 AM

Sure but this is nothing new, it's always been this way. The best college coaching staffs are the ones that can get the best out of the guys that DON'T go into professional baseball right out of high school.

yup, very similar to one and done in College basketball

it's kinda level field

Cincydawg · « **Reply #5692 on:** June 25, 2024, 11:39:27 AM »

Quote from: utee94 on June 25, 2024, 11:12:16 AM

Sure but this is nothing new, it's always been this way. The best college coaching staffs are the ones that can get the best out of the guys that DON'T go into professional baseball right out of high school.

I have a sense that 20 years ago, CBB was a very minor sport. I know TV yadda yadda, When I was in college (1970s), I barely knew there was a baseball team. If they won something, well, OK. Tennis was much bigger back then and there.

I gather nearly all college sports are much bigger today in overall awareness and TV viewship and "caring". Maybe basketball is roughly the same?

SECN has to fill time.

My coach told me that AA was where baseball started to be "competitive". Maybe that is about equivalent to college today?

utee94 · « **Reply #5693 on:** June 25, 2024, 12:12:47 PM »

Quote from: Gigem on June 25, 2024, 11:21:29 AM

I mean, I guess UT could moneywhip Schloss, but the question is would A&M match? We're paying our football coach $70 million to get lost, what's a few more $$$ for the best baseball coach we've ever had, and we're just getting started !

I assume as long as we're able to recuit well, and have top notch facilities, what is there really to leave for? I understand they're about to do a big reno on Blue Bell Park anyways.

Who really knows? TAMU didn't really money-whip him to get him to College Station, they paid him a little more than TCU was, but ultimately he made the move for his own personal reasons.

If he were to leave the ags and move on to the horns, I think it would be the same.

Mr Tulip · « **Reply #5694 on:** June 25, 2024, 12:38:00 PM »

If the NFL had minor leagues, college football wouldn't be near as prevalent. Of course, suddenly after years of it not being the case, the CFB world essentially morphed into what the NFL minor league would be.
I know the Texas men's basketball team has had to babysit a couple of 5-star freshmen that were only there to become draftable. You hate wasting a roster spot on a guy that won't pay off once he's developed, but on the other hand, you can't say no to that talent.
Texas Baseball certainly suffered when a lot of their exciting prospects take the pro development money. Like utee said, that's a problem for everybody.

Gigem · « **Reply #5695 on:** June 25, 2024, 04:29:45 PM »

It’s being reported that Schloss is actually considering the UT offer. That would be wild really. Has there ever been a case where one HC becomes the HC at either A&M or UT?

Dana X Bible coached at both 100 years ago, but I think there were stops in between. And a OC from UT became A&M HC in the 70’s. I should remember his name, but I’m blanking out. Really well known coach for us. It will come later.

Gigem · « **Reply #5696 on:** June 25, 2024, 04:39:45 PM »

Emory Bellard. I had to look it up. Well before my time.

utee94 · « **Reply #5697 on:** June 25, 2024, 05:03:45 PM »

Emory Ballard, as I recall he brought the wishbone from Texas to Texas A&M, among other things.

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