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utee94

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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #84 on: May 15, 2019, 10:45:50 AM »
And in a completely unrelated vein, here's a cover of The Ramones by my favorite local rockabilly band, Two Tons of Steel.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlFL2E2SFqY
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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #85 on: May 15, 2019, 11:43:27 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 15, 2019, 07:45:57 AM
Well the way it often used to work, is the original songwriter/artist recorded a demo version, and sent it to one or more folks that might be interested in recording it.  If that person were solely a songwriter, they'd potentially sell the rights to that song to a particular artist, in order to make money, and move on to the next one.  If that songwriter were also a singer, they might license a more popular/famous artist to sing it, but retain the rights and subsequently release a version of their own.  Since Willie was a singer too, he rarely sold his songs outright, but rather licensed them and retained the rights for himself.


this is true as far as I know.


My assumption is that Willie "covered" the song, because it was his and he enjoyed singing it.  Probably live in concert at first and then recorded it to be "released".


but, Patsy recorded it for a record label and released it first. 

If you think sharing my opinion that I prefer Patsy's version is pot stirring, then the same can be said regarding your opinion
We both know you are a dern fine pot stirrer in your own right
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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #86 on: May 15, 2019, 12:36:16 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 15, 2019, 07:50:05 AM
Anyway, here's another great "cover" by the artist who wrote it, that I prefer over the version of the artist who is best known for it:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-J7mLyD3yc
I prefer Kristofferson's version too.  By far.
It's a sad, wistful song.  Janis' crazy energy doesn't match the meaning of the lyrics, IMO.
In that initial burst of fantastic songwriting, Kris Kristofferson was as good as anybody in the business, I think.
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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #87 on: May 15, 2019, 12:42:03 PM »
Maybe off the beaten path, but the first part of this is the theme from Peter Gunn, a TV show of the early '60s.  I don't remember ever watching the show at the time, but I sure remember listening to this music.  Maybe all I got to do was listen to the theme.


https://youtu.be/lztZMFzl9fo

And I guess you could call this a cover.  It's entertaining to watch, anyway.


https://youtu.be/MIKSQT-oXfc
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« Reply #88 on: May 15, 2019, 01:18:34 PM »
Look at that French Horn, featured front and center!  Way to go band nerd!

(I played French Horn from 5th-12th grades, for the record)
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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #89 on: May 15, 2019, 01:20:48 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on May 15, 2019, 12:36:16 PM
I prefer Kristofferson's version too.  By far.
It's a sad, wistful song.  Janis' crazy energy doesn't match the meaning of the lyrics, IMO.
In that initial burst of fantastic songwriting, Kris Kristofferson was as good as anybody in the business, I think.
Kristofferson remains one of my favorite songwriters of all time.  But here's one he wrote, that the man who made it famous, did a much better job singing it, IMO. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED5s1-Fe9FA
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« Reply #90 on: May 15, 2019, 04:44:44 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 15, 2019, 01:18:34 PM
Look at that French Horn, featured front and center!  Way to go band nerd!

(I played French Horn from 5th-12th grades, for the record)
I thought the Tuba player really rocked myself!
Great breath control anyway.
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« Reply #91 on: May 15, 2019, 04:45:31 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 15, 2019, 01:20:48 PM
Kristofferson remains one of my favorite songwriters of all time.  But here's one he wrote, that the man who made it famous, did a much better job singing it, IMO. :)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ED5s1-Fe9FA
Yep.

Kris' version is good.  Johnny's is great.
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« Reply #92 on: May 15, 2019, 06:39:37 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 14, 2019, 11:39:54 PM

Since the only way Patsy could have heard it, is if Willie recorded it

Others chimed in on this before I got this post finished.  Willie was under contract to RCA Victor when Chet Atkins ran the Nashville division.  Other RCA talent such as the ones you listed above could pick from the songs written by the songwriters like Willie.  Chet used to tell the story of how he had to fire Willie even though he didn't want to.  After he got fired, Willie went to see his friend Waylon down in Texas and the rest is history.

For you young uns, this is what Willie looked like in '62.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWloaxXWv0g
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« Reply #93 on: May 15, 2019, 07:16:05 PM »
On the subject of Johnny Cash, I had his first album when I was a kid.  It had this horrible hit on it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exve40nNg-M

Square peg meet round hole.
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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #94 on: May 15, 2019, 07:36:15 PM »
Quote from: Thumper on May 15, 2019, 07:16:05 PM
On the subject of Johnny Cash, I had his first album when I was a kid.  It had this horrible hit on it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Exve40nNg-M

Square peg meet round hole.
Yeah, not the best song for him.
That tune of that song reminds me of something I've heard before, but not in many ears.
Johnny Fedavo, by Marty Robbins?  No, I don't think that's it.
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« Reply #95 on: May 15, 2019, 09:43:09 PM »
Quote from: Thumper on May 15, 2019, 06:39:37 PM
Others chimed in on this before I got this post finished.  Willie was under contract to RCA Victor when Chet Atkins ran the Nashville division.  Other RCA talent such as the ones you listed above could pick from the songs written by the songwriters like Willie.  Chet used to tell the story of how he had to fire Willie even though he didn't want to.  After he got fired, Willie went to see his friend Waylon down in Texas and the rest is history.

For you young uns, this is what Willie looked like in '62.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWloaxXWv0g

Another interesting story about Willie Nelson is that, not realizing Faron Young had already recorded his song "Hello Walls," Willie offered to sell it to him for $500.  Faron told him to keep his money, and also loaned him enough to cover it, and later, after Faron Young released it and made it hugely successful, Willie received a royalty check for $20,000 for a song he'd tried to sell for $500.

Always love hearing stories about the olden days of popular recorded music, and that's a fun one.
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Re: Off Season -Covers
« Reply #96 on: May 18, 2019, 03:11:47 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 14, 2019, 11:43:43 PM
Oh hey look, it's the pot stirrer, stirring the pot. I'm shocked I tell you!
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« Reply #97 on: May 18, 2019, 03:26:17 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 15, 2019, 07:45:57 AM
Well the way it often used to work, is the original songwriter/artist recorded a demo version, and sent it to one or more folks that might be interested in recording it.  If that person were solely a songwriter, they'd potentially sell the rights to that song to a particular artist, in order to make money, and move on to the next one.  


I know Jimmy Webb and Mac Davis wrote a lot of tunes/songs other artists made famous
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