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Re: Beer
« Reply #980 on: August 20, 2024, 08:51:58 AM »
A can is a superior packaging device to a bottle for two main reasons.

First, the can is impervious to light, while a glass bottle is not, and "light-strike" is an issue for beer, as it can cause "skunkiness" in the beer.  Here's the science for Cincy: "Light triggers the breakdown of hop alpha acid compounds to form a dimethyl allyl radical. This reacts with thiol sulphur-containing compounds to create 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol (MBT) which emits pungent 'skunky' or 'cat pee' aromas." This is especially prominent in beers packaged in clear or green bottles, while brown bottles offer some protection, but not as much as a can.

The second reason, is that a can simply seals better against air, than does a bottle cap.  Air exposure over time causes oxidation in the beer which degrades the lively alcohols and aromatics, rendering them dull and bland.

Regardless of the package, however, all beer should be poured into a glass and consumed that way, for maximum impact.

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« Reply #981 on: August 20, 2024, 09:10:19 AM »
Regardless of the package, however, all beer should be poured into a glass and consumed that way, for maximum impact.
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Re: Beer
« Reply #982 on: August 20, 2024, 09:46:02 AM »
"Light triggers the breakdown of hop alpha acid compounds to form a dimethyl allyl radical. This reacts with thiol sulphur-containing compounds to create 3-methyl-2-butene-1-thiol (MBT) which emits pungent 'skunky' or 'cat pee' aromas."

I approve of this sentence, or two.  The brown bottles do a decent job.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #983 on: August 20, 2024, 06:21:09 PM »
Budweiser longnecks are dark brown

Guinness bottles are much darker
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Re: Beer
« Reply #984 on: August 21, 2024, 06:20:34 AM »
Beer ages anyway, just over time.  And unlike wine, this aging isn't beneficial.  A dark brown bottle should be adequate, versus a can, I'd suspect.

I'm sort of interested in whether cans today have any lining inside relative to just Aluminum.  

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Re: Beer
« Reply #985 on: August 21, 2024, 09:10:49 AM »
Beer ages anyway, just over time.  And unlike wine, this aging isn't beneficial.  A dark brown bottle should be adequate, versus a can, I'd suspect.

I'm sort of interested in whether cans today have any lining inside relative to just Aluminum. 
I think all aluminum cans are lined with something.  This used to be an epoxy that contained BPA but a quick google search seems to indicate that the linings are now BPA-free.

It doesn't say what they're now using instead but I assume it's something we'll find out in 20 years, is highly unsafe and far worse for us than BPA ever was.

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« Reply #986 on: August 21, 2024, 09:14:17 AM »
Keystone failed with a marketing campaign about their can liner in the 90s
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Re: Beer
« Reply #987 on: August 21, 2024, 09:57:12 AM »
Bisphenol Pale Ale: Should You Be Worried About the BPA in Your Beer Can? | BeerAdvocate

That is from 2017.

Understanding the Complex World of Can Liners | Brewers Association

Bisphenol A (BPA) | Food Standards Australia New Zealand

Bisphenol A (BPA) is a chemical used in the lining of some food and beverage packaging to protect food from contamination and extend shelf life. It’s also used in non-food products.
Small amounts of BPA can migrate into food and beverages from containers.
For a number of years concerns have been raised that BPA exposure may cause health problems. However, when food safety authorities around the world have reviewed BPA they have generally concluded there are no safety concerns at the levels people are exposed to.
In April 2023, the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA) published a re-evaluation of the risks to public health from the presence of BPA in food. EFSA concluded the tolerable daily intake (or TDI) for BPA should be substantially reduced from the temporary value it had previously established in 2015.
The TDI refers to the amount of a chemical contaminant such as BPA that can be ingested daily in food or drinking water over a lifetime without appreciable health risk to the consumer.
The new TDI established by EFSA is 0.2 nanograms/kg body weight/day (20,000 times lower than the 2015 TDI of 4 micrograms/kg body weight/day).
By comparing the new TDI with estimates of dietary exposure to BPA in the European Union, EFSA concluded that European consumers in all age groups are likely to exceed the new TDI, suggesting potential health concerns. In response, the European Commission announced they are proposing to ban BPA in food packaging.
FSANZ has considered EFSA’s re-evaluation of BPA and has reservations about the approach taken. The effect selected as the basis for the TDI is not a typical endpoint used in toxicology studies and its toxicological significance is uncertain.
FSANZ is aware that a number of other agencies have reviewed, or are in the process of considering, EFSA’s re-evaluation of BPA.
Two agencies - the European Medicines Agency (EMA) and the German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment (BfR) – have raised concerns about the approach taken by EFSA to establish the revised TDI. EFSA has published joint reports with each of these agencies outlining the basis for the different opinions:
The BfR has subsequently proposed a TDI for BPA of 0.2 micrograms/kg body weight/day, which is 1,000 times higher than EFSA’s TDI.
The UK Committee on Toxicity of Chemicals in Food, Consumer Products and the Environment (COT) has also stated that the weight of evidence does not support EFSA’s conclusions, or a TDI as low as that established by EFSA. The COT is currently developing an interim position paper on BPA.



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Re: Beer
« Reply #988 on: August 22, 2024, 12:15:09 AM »
I'm not worried
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Re: Beer
« Reply #989 on: August 22, 2024, 09:11:27 AM »
Elemental aluminum has a wonderful property called "self passivation". Whenever elemental aluminum (Al) comes in contact with oxygen, it rapidly oxidizes (rusts) into Al2O3 - Aluminum Oxide.
The great thing about aluminum oxide is that oxygen can't get through it! Rather than continuing to oxidize like iron, aluminum just develops a thin film of Al2O3 and stops the process.

No idea what the average beer formulation would do to Al2O3. It's pretty inert.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #990 on: August 22, 2024, 09:19:40 AM »
Any acidic component in a beverage would react with Al2O3 over time.  That could generate off tastes.

I don't know, but it does seem a liner is a requirement for beverage stability.

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Re: Beer
« Reply #991 on: August 27, 2024, 09:45:17 AM »
Soon, my body will be ready...



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Re: Beer
« Reply #992 on: August 27, 2024, 11:08:59 AM »
too hot and humid up here the past few days
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Re: Beer
« Reply #993 on: August 28, 2024, 04:51:29 PM »
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