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Topic: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~

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medinabuckeye1

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #196 on: October 19, 2020, 03:13:49 PM »
Would definitely put the Ravens behind KC, Tenn, and Pittsburgh right now. Buffalo has also impressed me more. I think the Pats are also in the mix even though their record doesn't show it.

The Ravens blitz all the time Gerg Williams approved gimmick defense will sure break the likes of Burrow and Daniel Jones in half but any offense w/ a pulse like KC will eat it alive. 
At least for now I'm not going to overreact to Pittsburgh's big win over Cleveland.  As I see it, there are basically three possible explanations for that:
  • Pittsburgh is THAT good.  
  • Cleveland is THAT bad.  
  • It was just one-of-those-days and neither #1 nor #2 is correct.  

Problems with #1:
  • Pittsburgh's other four games aren't very impressive.  They beat sub-.500 Denver by 5, they beat 1-4-1 Philly by 9, and they beat 1-5 Houston and NYG by 7 and ten.  That does NOT make them look like SuperBowl material.  
Problems with #2:
  • Yes, the Browns have played an easy schedule with the exception of Pitt and Baltimore and those two trashed them but they DID win the other four games.  4-2 Indy is pretty good and 2-3 Dallas isn't complete trash.  I didn't think last week that the Browns were as good as their 4-1 record last week but I also don't think that they are as bad as the Ravens and Steelers losses look either.  

Ultimately, therefore, I think the answer to this riddle is that Pittsburgh is better than their unimpressive wins over Denver, Philly, Houston, and NYG and Cleveland isn't as good as their 4-1 record looked last week and on top of that it was just one of those days (ie, I don't necessarily think that Cleveland is 31 points worse than Pittsburgh).  

We'll find out soon.  Pittsburgh's next two games are on the road against the undefeated Titans then on the road against the 5-1 Ravens.  

As for Cleveland:
  • This week they visit Cincinnati.  On the one hand, the Bengals are 1-4-1 and Cleveland already beat them once.  On the other hand, the Browns beat them by a mere five points in Cleveland so winning in Cincinnati is not a given.  
  • Next week the Browns host the Raiders.  IMHO, this is their most intriguing remaining game.  The Browns have ten remaining games.  Three are against teams that should obviously (and easily) beat Cleveland (Pitt 5-0, Tennessee 5-0, Baltimore 5-1).  Another six are against teams 1-4-1 or worse (Cincy, Philly, Houston, Jacksonville, NYG, NYJ) that the Browns should definitely beat.  That just leaves one more, the 3-2 Las Vegas Raiders in Cleveland on November 1.  

IMHO, the game against the Raiders is the key game for the Browns for several reasons:
First, it is the most evenly matched remaining game so it is pretty easy to see it going either way.  

Second, the game is fairly likely to come into play in determining playoff eligibility or seeding for the Browns.  If the playoffs started today the Browns would be in as the #6 seed (thus getting a road game at the #3 seeded KC Chiefs).  The Browns are only a game behind the Ravens but considering Cleveland's 38-6 loss to Baltimore I just don't see the Browns overtaking anyone.  The Browns are tied with Indy for the 5th/6th seed and a half game ahead of Las Vegas.  If the Browns beat Las Vegas they will own potentially tie-breaking wins over both the Raiders and the Colts which will really help the Browns down the stretch.  

The Colts are off this week and play the Lions next week.  Las Vegas hosts the Buccaneers this week than travels to Cleveland next week.  Even if the Colts and Raiders win their other games and Cleveland loses their other game, here would be the likely mid-point playoff standings two weeks from now:
  • #6, 5-2 Indianapolis
  • #7, 5-3 Cleveland
  • #8, 4-3 Las Vegas
Thus, Cleveland would be a half game down to the Colts and a half game up on the Raiders but they would have the tiebreaker over either or both so their playoff position would be reasonably secure.  


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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #197 on: October 19, 2020, 03:28:12 PM »
Patriots are sub .500 through a 5 game stretch for the first time since 2000. Significance of that year? It was Brady’s rookie season and Bledsoe was the starting QB. Crazy.

Cam isn’t accurate in the short to intermediate and they have zero weapons on offense at WR or TE, and the defense isn’t as good as it was last year.

Cam had a rough out but he’s still a good NFL QB, the OL is still above average, and when he’s healthy Sony Michel is a very good back. 

Hard team to read but I think Bills are still favorite in the division and I’ll say Pats go 7-9 or 8-8 and miss the playoff.

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #198 on: October 19, 2020, 03:31:59 PM »
Cam isn't going to win anything anywhere imo

I wouldn't trade Cousins for Cam, and I'm not a fan of Cousins
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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #199 on: October 19, 2020, 03:32:17 PM »
Foles always fascinates me. He usually looks no different than any interchangable backup QB but seems to have a knack for pulling out of his behind when you need it most. Not in a game winning drive kinda way, but if its 3rd and 5 and a 1st ices the game, he'll get you 5 yards and 2 inches.
Yeah, Foles just beats the hell out of me. He’s garbage 99% of the time but in 4th qtr comebacks or clutch situations he tends to just pull shit out of his ass and get W’s. It’s insane. Never seen anything like it.

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #200 on: October 19, 2020, 04:43:45 PM »
Patriots are sub .500 through a 5 game stretch for the first time since 2000. Significance of that year? It was Brady’s rookie season and Bledsoe was the starting QB. Crazy.

Cam isn’t accurate in the short to intermediate and they have zero weapons on offense at WR or TE, and the defense isn’t as good as it was last year.

Cam had a rough out but he’s still a good NFL QB, the OL is still above average, and when he’s healthy Sony Michel is a very good back.

Hard team to read but I think Bills are still favorite in the division and I’ll say Pats go 7-9 or 8-8 and miss the playoff.
Last week I thought the Pats would get it straightened out and still win the division but after their loss to Denver it is pretty hard to see that happening now.  

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #201 on: October 19, 2020, 10:27:20 PM »
Last week I thought the Pats would get it straightened out and still win the division but after their loss to Denver it is pretty hard to see that happening now. 
They are just completely devoid of talent and playmakers at WR/TE. The OL is still pretty good and while they don’t have a stud RB they do have a real nice stable of complimentary RBs. 

And they really are devoid of talent in the front 7 on defense. Not really seeing anyone outside of Winovich that looks like a stud or potential stud in the making there. They have an excellent secondary though. 

Right now, even though they just lost to KC and Tennessee- Bills still look like best team in the East to me. KC defending SB champs with arguably the best player in the league and Titans might be the best team in the entire league no one is talking about. Derrick Henry is not of this world and Tannehill doesn’t look so bad now that he’s out of Miami and has an actual team and coach around him. 

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #202 on: October 20, 2020, 10:30:10 AM »
Cam isn't going to win anything anywhere imo

I wouldn't trade Cousins for Cam, and I'm not a fan of Cousins


As dreadful as Kirk Cousins is playing this season (11TD/10Int Vs 26TD/6Int last yr), what makes it all the worse is Minnesota extending his already bloated contract last March, a headline I somehow missed and didn't even learn of until this week. Rather than letting Cousins play out the final year of his contract, the Vikings added a 2yr/$66Mil extension to his 3yr/$84Mil deal. And Cousins is a guy Zimmer never wanted signed, much less for over $100Mil of cap occupying cash. Cousins is nearly untradeable and un-bench-able at this point. How much are Vikings fans wishing they'd just ridden out the Bridgewater injury?

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #203 on: October 20, 2020, 11:17:51 AM »
Bridgewater, Keenum, Bradford.... any of them would have been better than throwing that type of $$$ at Kirk

stupid Viking fans want to fire Zimmer.  Zimmer is a dern good coach.  This is Speilman's problem.  Fire Rick!!!
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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #204 on: October 20, 2020, 03:38:37 PM »
I will never get throwing a bunch of money at any non top 6-8 QB.  You are better off paying your surrounding guys, and trying to find another cheap QB.  You look at the guys who made it work, Brady always took a pay cut, Roethlisberger was the beneficiary of an insane run of good skill position drafting that they never paid to re-sign, etc...

Rodgers hasn't won since he got paid, Russell won on a rookie contract, Mahomes did.  As soon as you pay a QB, you back yourself into a nearly impossible corner.

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #205 on: October 20, 2020, 03:42:28 PM »
I will never get throwing a bunch of money at any non top 6-8 QB.  You are better off paying your surrounding guys, and trying to find another cheap QB.  You look at the guys who made it work, Brady always took a pay cut, Roethlisberger was the beneficiary of an insane run of good skill position drafting that they never paid to re-sign, etc...

Rodgers hasn't won since he got paid, Russell won on a rookie contract, Mahomes did.  As soon as you pay a QB, you back yourself into a nearly impossible corner.
This. Takes an entire team to win Super Bowls. Hard to build a team when one guy takes 20% of the cap space.

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #206 on: October 20, 2020, 03:43:50 PM »
it's tough

it's obviously a QB driven league.  gotta have a top 10 QB to have a chance at the SB, but you also need other players on offense and ya gotta have a defense

the ticket has been to have a guy like Brady or Brees or Peyton Manning restructure the contract or get a young guy like Wilson or Mahomes before they cash in.
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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #207 on: October 20, 2020, 04:15:31 PM »
I wonder how much you could learn looking at analytics of draft strategy and contract strategy to create a "formula" for winning NFL teams. I have to think there's been effort...

I've long believed that if you start at the OL and DL and work out from there that you're in the best strategy. 

Great OL play make QBs and RBs look better, and QBs with time to read a defense and throw make the WRs look better. Obviously the LT position is well known for its importance, but I'd highlight the whole line. I don't know if you're better off doing this through draft or free agency, but I'd think it's safer to spend in free agency for stone cold locks rather than trying to develop guys via the draft...

Great DL play can slow down the running game and pressure the QB without elaborate blitzes, which allows you to throw more bodies at coverage. Again obviously the edge rushers are well known, but looking at guys like Aaron Donald show that having a guy who can both stop the run and disrupt the pass from the interior line is an advantage when everyone else is trying to pay up for the edge rushers. 

I don't think you pay RBs in this league. It's arguably the shortest shelf life position in the league. Pick up them up in the draft, run out their rookie contract looking like a star playing behind your great OL, and then trade them for picks to stash new RBs. 

But how to handle the other positions? 

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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #208 on: October 20, 2020, 05:13:25 PM »
I wonder how much you could learn looking at analytics of draft strategy and contract strategy to create a "formula" for winning NFL teams. I have to think there's been effort...

I've long believed that if you start at the OL and DL and work out from there that you're in the best strategy.
Correct the old military adage - secure the interior lines bring superior force to bare.Win the LOS and TOs you'll be in good shape
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Re: ~2020 NFL Season Thread~
« Reply #209 on: October 20, 2020, 05:19:53 PM »
no one in the NFL operates like that

not many in college anymore
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