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The M60 tank is old and not modern as compared to the M1 Abrams or the Armata. However, this MBT still keeps moving along the battlefield even in its more senior state: The American-built M60 is one of the most successful main battle tanks (MBTs) ever produced. More than 15,000 rolled off the production line, and since its introduction in 1959, the M60 has seen service in the armies of 22 nations. It was actually developed to counter the threat from the Soviet Union‘s medium tanks.\\

https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/04/the-legendary-m60-tank-was-designed-to-beat-russia/

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at this point let's just call this what it is....US is funding a proxy war to try to bleed Russia dry and give fat welfare checks to Raytheon & Friends. Biden admin have already given Ukraine $14 billion, Biden admin seeking another $33 billion from Congress to give Ukraine which runs out at end of fiscal year- which means in Sept the Biden admin will be coming back to Congress to ask for another $33 billion. That 14+33 billion is already about $3 billion more than the Biden admin has allocated for it's entire climate initiative- and it's not going to end there- they'll be coming back in Sept to ask for more $$$$. Studies have suggested $20 billion a year could pretty much end homelessness in the US. Can't have that. But can pull $47 billion out of their ass and thin air to fund war for another country. And it's not going to stop at $47 billion. You know once they approve this $33 billy and it runs out, come Sept the Biden admin will go right back to Congress to hit them up for more.

Kind of funny. Reminds me of that 2pac lyric....when it rains and pours they got money for wars but can't feed the poor. 

And apparently, they even have money for wars that aren't even ours.

Best summation ever I've heard of NATO....NATO was created to keep the Russians out, keep the Americans in, and keep the Germans down.

A substantial portion of aid to Ukraine is non-military. 

And I think homelessness is a problem that can't be solved simply with money.  A lot of these folks wouldn't live in a home even if it was free.

bullshite.

define substantial grandpa. most of that money will be going to fund the war effort of ANOTHER country and the reason they are giving them that money is what: because of a war. A war that is not ours.

US shouldn’t give them a f***king single dollar more when there are people in this country who are being crushed by out of control inflation and living expenses, 30+ million Americans who still don’t have health care and when this country has a  SERIOUS mental health and homelessness problem that it’s not even attempting to do anything about. 

F**k that.

Russia, the US and the UK gave Ukraine a security guarantee in 1994 when they gave up their nuclear weapons to Russia.  Finland probably took note in February that it's neutrality agreement with Russia is worthless.  Finland and Sweden would be more secure once they join NATO and would have a nuclear deterrent.  The EU and the US are in a proxy war with Russia and it's one they need to win or it'll get much larger.

WASHINGTON (AP) — President Joe Biden asked Congress on Thursday for $33 billion to bolster Ukraine’s fight against Russia, signaling a burgeoning and long-haul American commitment as Moscow’s invasion and the international tensions it has inflamed show no signs of receding.
The package has about $20 billion in defense spending for Ukraine and U.S. allies in the region and $8.5 billion to keep Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy’s government providing services and paying salaries. There’s $3 billion in global food and humanitarian programs, including money to help Ukrainian refugees who’ve fled to the U.S. and to prod American farmers to grow wheat and other crops to replace the vast amounts of food Ukraine normally produces.
The package, which administration officials estimated would last five months, is more than twice the size of the initial $13.6 billion aid measure that Congress enacted early last month and now is almost drained. With the bloody war dragging into its third month, the measure was designed to signal to Russian President Vladimir Putin that U.S. weaponry and other streams of assistance are not going away.

yawn. over 60% of the new funding going directly to what....weapons/war. Which is what? $20 billion of welfare checks to Raytheon & Friends.

And why the f**k is the US giving Ukraine $8.5 billion to pay government salaries and pensions again? How about you spend that here on your own people first.....Ukraine is one of THE most corrupt countries on planet earth. You realize there is absolutely ZERO percent change that some of this money WON'T get stolen by corrupt Ukrainian officials, right?

And this proposed funding which no doubt will get approved will run out at end of fiscal year- which means they'll just ramp up more US tax payer funding come September- and then they'll ask for another $33 billion or who knows- maybe even more. They will easily wind up giving close to $100 billion if not more to Ukraine before this year is even over.

My thinking is that IF somehow Russia attacked Finland any time in the next decade or so, we'd be involved pretty quickly and probably directly anyway.

If Finland joins NATO and Russia attacks say Estonia or Romania, Finland would be treaty bound to attack Russia, in effect, Article 5.

Russia can't even pull off an invasion successfully in Ukraine. This Ukraine thing is going to weaken them substantially. The idea that they'd be able to pull off an invasion of Finland or invasions of multiple countries simultaneously is hysterical. They do not have this capability. 

I didn't say they did, obviously, but joining NATO carries this risk.  In some future, Russia might be able to attack a NATO country.  And they do have nukes of course.

They could at some point "false flag" something in Estonia and claim ethnic Russians were being mistreated as a pretense.  Those Baltic countries would be tough to defend.

the fact that they have a shitload of nukes and their considerable oil & gas resources are the only reason they are even a little bit of anything. 

rest of their economy is a giant nothing and the rest of their military is kinda sad and pathetic....