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847badgerfan

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« Reply #2016 on: April 26, 2022, 07:14:56 AM »
OK, I too will chime in.

I would rather that word not be used. I'm sure ELA would be of the same thinking.

That makes the three of us.
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« Reply #2017 on: April 26, 2022, 07:17:55 AM »
As for Ukraine...

How much longer can this go without escalation into something much worse? It's becoming pretty clear that the ussRussia cannot win this in a conventional manner, without completely destroying everything on the ground and murdering millions of people.

Pressure from the outside does not seem to be working.

How many people are lookalike stand-ins for Putin? Who has to taste his food before he eats?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2018 on: April 26, 2022, 07:20:24 AM »
So, Russia reoriented in an apparent effort to secure said land bridge, and the "news" is not very much now.  I suspect they are unable to do anything "newsworthy" and status quo doesn't get in the "news" ...

This is going to drag on for a long while I think, somewhat of an on going fairly low intensity conflict that is out of the news.  For some folks, it won't seem low intensity of course.  
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« Reply #2019 on: April 26, 2022, 07:25:01 AM »
Is Moldova next?
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2020 on: April 26, 2022, 07:28:13 AM »
I'm sure it would be IF Russia somehow took all of Ukraine.
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« Reply #2021 on: April 26, 2022, 09:24:07 AM »
Moldova is a decoy. It may have been next if the 3 day war had actually been a 3 day war. 
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« Reply #2022 on: April 26, 2022, 11:11:41 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 26, 2022, 07:25:01 AM
Is Moldova next?
they can't even take Ukraine. if they try invading another country simultaneously, it would probably break them.
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« Reply #2023 on: April 26, 2022, 11:42:24 AM »
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2024 on: April 26, 2022, 11:50:58 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on April 26, 2022, 07:17:55 AM
As for Ukraine...

How much longer can this go without escalation into something much worse? It's becoming pretty clear that the ussRussia cannot win this in a conventional manner, without completely destroying everything on the ground and murdering millions of people.

Pressure from the outside does not seem to be working.

How many people are lookalike stand-ins for Putin? Who has to taste his food before he eats?
It's times like these that one wishes the old school "Good Fellas" would make an encore
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Re: The Ukraine Topic
« Reply #2025 on: April 26, 2022, 12:09:11 PM »
I think Putin wants the land bridge and would offer a cease fire at that point.  Claim victory and go on the defensive.

It's easy to defend, usually, than gain ground against resistance.  This could be a slog, quagmire, for years, a standoff with attacks here and there.
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« Reply #2026 on: April 26, 2022, 01:23:48 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on April 26, 2022, 12:09:11 PM
I think Putin wants the land bridge and would offer a cease fire at that point.  Claim victory and go on the defensive.

It's easy to defend, usually, than gain ground against resistance.  This could be a slog, quagmire, for years, a standoff with attacks here and there.
top US officials/planners saying this thing will last years. really horrific. wish there was something that could be done to end it. 

I don't think it's as simple as removing Putin. Say Putin gets removed or dies. Is Russia really just going to stop? Doubtful. They have generals/military industrial complex/intelligence dickwads who always want war too. That's not a thing just the US experiences.
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« Reply #2027 on: April 26, 2022, 04:56:10 PM »
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« Reply #2028 on: April 27, 2022, 07:50:54 AM »
I'm worried about that.

I'm afraid Russia using nukes would be the straw that broke the NATO back and drew it in. 

WWIII ensues.

What would China do??
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« Reply #2029 on: April 27, 2022, 08:03:14 AM »
I think it would hinge on how Russia chose to deploy a nuclear weapon, if they did (which I think is low probability).

Imagine they backed off Mariupol and used some tactical nukes on the city, 2 or 3.  I'm not sure that would draw us in, we'd certainly employ harsh language.

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