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Idk why the f**k the US kept lying to Ukraine telling them they'd be in NATO for 14 years- knowing damn well they weren't going to let them in- in large part due to major issues in that country with corruption. Even Zelenskyy now says he's been asking and demanding of the US when Ukraine can join NATO- tell us if it's in one year, three years, five years- and he was told by the US- yeah, you guys aren't joining NATO- but we're not going to say that publicly.

What's far more relevant than any of that, is why shithead Russia led by dickface putin thinks it's okay to slaughter Ukraine and commit genocide. 

If you really focused your brainpower there, you might find yourself onto something.

This is going to be an increasingly large problem for dickface putin's shithead Russia.  Ain't no way a command economy works through something like this:


https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraine/comments/tzz5vm/russian_shipyards_halt_production_of_ships_due_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3

Tough to know whose numbers to trust anymore but those prolly are accurate

Ukraine accuses Russia of chemical weapons attack in Mariupol | The Hill

It wouldn't surprise me, but I don't believe this is fully vetted yet.  Some comments are the the effects are not "disastrous" so it's possible it was something more like tear gas, which doesn't really fall into the horrifying groups of chemical weapons out there.

But of course it's a war zone so accurate reports are hard to come by.

I really hope it's not true, for the Ukrainians that would be affected by it, but also for the rest of the world because it would be a red line to cross and would likely result in more direct action from the West.

Yeah that's some really scary stuff.  I really do hope it hasn't come to that, but it wouldn't surprise me at all, if it had.  dickface putin's aims are clear at this point.

Residues of known chemical agents are pretty easy to detect.  Of course, you can't know from that who dispensed the agent.  The nerve agents developed in WW 2 are plenty deadly, Tabun, Sarin, among them.  Hitler had a stockpile and never used it in the West.

and this prompts story telling time:

some 20 years ago i fielded a network of chem/bio sensors in the middle east.  these were stationary devices that communicated with a radio modem- some high speed mess, at the time. 

the chemical detector first implemented utilized an ion mobility based tech.. it was decently accurate but finicky to maintain especially in that environment with fine dust constantly loading up the filtration.  at any rate, i had two that would constantly trigger, and they were adjacent each other.  i never encountered a 'network' alarm, just individual units alarming... the way the algorithm worked was based on wind speed, barometric pressure, wind direction, ect--- a 'real' even would plume and that plume's movement was directed by meteorological events which could be anticipated... if a sensor fired off and then another a known distance and direction away, it would be considered a network event and the response handled much differently.  these issues i faced weren't 'network'.

so, it was ion mobility as i've already stated... come to find out, the mathematics worked out that JP4 was close to a particular nerve agent in it's behavior as it passed through the chamber.  it is nowhere near or even related to it molecularly- but in the case of ion mobility, it acted similar.  weird, i know, and it took me some time to figure this out... bounced it off the white coats when i had enough data to support my discovery and it was no surprise to them... they looked at me dull eyed and said "yeah? what of it?"...

point being, yeah- if you have a sample and especially if that sample is not contaminated, it's 'easy' to identify even in the field... but, it's just as easy to go off on a wild goose chase and think you have something you don't if you don't carefully reconcile through different means/techs of identification.... in the field, mind you.

methyl parathyon is an example- it's a pesticide used sometimes in crop dusters.  Ukraine is heavily agricultured... if an explosion struck a storage facility of that, alarms would ring as if it was a nerve agent.... because, it is.  just not one that would hurt humans unless concentrated.  i'm not making an excuse for the reports- i don't know... nobody does right now... i just hope this is carefully considered before action in response it taken... if they used chemical weapons, it's a game changer.

Well they're all bad, that's for sure.

Further, I have a hard time distinguishing between a pile of dead Ukrainian civilians, and a pile of dead Ukrainian soldiers, in the context of an unprovoked and unacceptable invasion like this.  Neither grouping would be suffering if it weren't for the murderous lunacy of an evil piece of shit.