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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #784 on: March 20, 2019, 12:52:08 PM »
It's helpful to have durable reusable containers for food and water. It doesn't have to be Pyrex or a Nalgene. It just has to last for years before ending up in the landfill, and of course you'd have to have the habit of using it instead of single-use plastic/styrofoam. Conveniently, this helps individuals save money in addition to being a lesser burden on the environment.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #785 on: March 20, 2019, 01:43:30 PM »
Coke and Pepsi were late to the bottled water craze, I think because no one there could believe it was more than a fad.  Of course, they purify large quantities of water to make their soft drinks, so it was trivial for them to expand their RO capacity, add some minerals, and cash in on this craze.  The wife drinks bottled water, but she reuses containers at least.

I don't know how much of that plastic gets recycled, but it isn't much.  The plastic is not the same as in milk jugs, for example, so they shouldn't get mixed, but do.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #786 on: March 20, 2019, 01:46:13 PM »
I lived through the "we're running out of landfills" back in the late 1980s and 1990s.  The word came down that anything new had to be compostable, which posed quite the challenge for us polymer types.  We had some interesting, and useless projects during the day, and I got into quite a bit of political trouble because I took on - inadvertently - some BIG VPs who had a lot of skin in the game, and game it was, and I was small fry.  The fact I was right didn't save me.

I clung to "being right" for too long of course, being a stubborn mule.  I really did get in serious career trouble that took years to shake off.  For being right.

All that burfle disappeared rather quietly 2-3 years after I surfaced the facts.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #787 on: March 21, 2019, 10:00:13 PM »
many times, it's detrimental to prove that you are the smartest guy in the room - by being correct
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #788 on: March 21, 2019, 10:02:09 PM »
There's something everyday people could do that would help in a small way--stop drinking bottled water.
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #789 on: March 22, 2019, 11:50:05 AM »
Back when I was in school, I took an environmental engineering course. Part of that course included garbage and recycling, etc. At that time, the professor estimated that only 20 percent of the materials placed in the "recycle bins" were actually being recycled.


I'm guessing that is up to about 40 percent now. Maybe a bit higher or lower??
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #790 on: March 22, 2019, 12:23:34 PM »
My guess would be 10% of the stuff in any recycle bin is actually recycled.  We have twp dumpsters outside, one for trash and one for recycle.  The stuff inside the recycle bin is mostly cardboard, but mixed in with a LOT of packaging and plastic bottles and film and whatever.  Now, perhaps this all gets thrown on a line somewhere with humans picking out what can be reused.  I've seen one such line in Cincy back circa 1995, nearly all of it went to landfill.  They would not even pull out a bottle with a cap on it because the materials are different.

And the line went really fast, so even Al cans would pass the workers.  At that time, NO newsprint was recycled, zero, it had negative value.  No magazines, not paper, none of that.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #791 on: March 23, 2019, 07:25:36 AM »
https://archive.epa.gov/epawaste/nonhaz/municipal/web/html/

"In 2013, newspapers/mechanical papers recovery was about 67 percent (5.4 million tons), and about 60 percent of yard trimmings were recovered (Figure 3). Organic materials continue to be the largest component of MSW. Paper and paperboard account for 27 percent and yard trimmings and food account for another 28 percent. Plastics comprise about 13 percent; metals make up 9 percent; and rubber, leather, and textiles account for 9 percent. Wood follows at around 6 percent and glass at 5 percent. Other miscellaneous wastes make up approximately 3 percent of the MSW generated in 2013 (Figure 4)."


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #792 on: March 23, 2019, 07:27:29 AM »
https://www.rubiconglobal.com/blog-statistics-trash-recycling/

1. Nine-tenths of all solid waste in the United States does not get recycled.
2. Landfills are among the biggest contributors to soil pollution – roughly 80% of the items buried in landfills could be recycled.
3. Although 75% of America’s waste is recyclable, we only recycle around 30% of it. Turns out, there are a few easy steps you can take to start recycling better.
4. A single recycled plastic bottle saves enough energy to run a 100-watt bulb for 4 hours. It also creates 20% less air pollution and 50% less water pollution than would be created when making a new bottle.
5. Recycling plastic saves twice as much energy as it takes to burn it.
6. It only takes 5 recycled plastic bottles to make enough fiberfill to stuff a ski jacket.
7. Motor oil never wears out, it just gets dirty – and it can be recycled.  (Not precisely true.)
8. The U.S. recycling rate is around 34.5%. If we’re able to get the rate to 75%, the effect will be like removing 50 million passenger cars from U.S. roads.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #793 on: March 23, 2019, 07:29:20 AM »
https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/plastic-produced-recycling-waste-ocean-trash-debris-environment/

A whopping 91% of plastic isn't recycled
Billions of tons of plastic have been made over the past decades, and much of it is becoming trash and litter, finds the first analysis of the issue.


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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #794 on: March 23, 2019, 07:35:38 AM »
Plastic of course is a broad term for a host of different materials, which is part of the problem.  Most of it is polyethylene, which itself comes in different versions, though they are chemically the same (in basic composition).  Milk jugs are PE.  Then there is polypropylene, milk jug caps are PP.  You don't want PE mixed in with PP if you are recycling.

Then there is PET for short, which makes up the bottles of water and Coke we buy.  The caps are PP.  PET also makes up the polyester in the shirts we wear (polycotton is a blend).

Packaging material is polystyrene foam, something very different from the above chemically.  It takes up a lot of volume when it is 'foamed".  Dow Chemical doesn't like it when we call packaging material Styrofoam, but we do.  They are in Michigan anyway.

And there are "tons" more types, but those are the main ones, unless I'm forgetting something which is likely.  Polyurethane is one more that can be hard or soft depending on which kind it is.  Those spray cans we use to insulate tight areas are polyurethane foam.  A lot of the hard plastic that makes up stuff is PU.

IF you can get a stream that is source separated, you have something you can recycle rather easily, but if it is a mixture, good luck.  It does no good if YOU separate the items nicely and they get thrown on the same truck.

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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #796 on: March 23, 2019, 08:20:09 AM »
Thanx CD,I've been almost O.C.D.(pun intended)about recycling for at least 2 decades.Even before residential curbside or commercial pick up.Use to place an extra recycling can in the lunch room at work and at home fortunately we had recycling centers in the area.I'd give my metal cans an such to friends who when they collectd a whole load would turn it in for a little coin - car parts,duct work metal shelving,mounting brackets etc.I was surprised by how much one center gave us for old platic stackable chairs and white buckets/lids and such
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Re: Weather, Climate, and Environment
« Reply #797 on: March 23, 2019, 09:00:24 AM »
I used to collect aluminum cans back when we drank more soft drinks.  I'd get $5 or so for a large bag.  As I read more about the health effects of Coke etc., I cut everyone off in my family with rare exceptions, and I don't drink beer from cans.  

Most of the plastic waste in the oceans comes from Asia, so nothing we do here is going to help.  The US is pretty good about waste disposal (not perfect obviously).  We have a problem with tires which is largely hidden from public view.  I think to recycle effectively plastic bottles we need a 5 cent per tax that is refunded on return.  You could have return kiosks that read the bar codes and separated the plastic by type and then crushed the mess when the container starts to get full.    That would help with soda/water bottles.


 

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