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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #1316 on: May 30, 2024, 02:28:58 PM »

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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #1317 on: May 31, 2024, 07:05:59 AM »
We're off to SD early tomorrow morning.  Staying in Carlsbad, going for a graduation, I''m not entirely thrilled about it, but whatever.

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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #1318 on: May 31, 2024, 08:17:50 AM »
Somehow, I started getting FB feeds about folks hiking the Appalachian Trail.  It seems like a thing to do if you want to mention it in every future conversation, maybe, or if you just like to hike.  It has crossed my mind, briefly, but when I was young of course I had no time.  I watched part of some movie about two guys doing it, the movie got boring to me, anyway, it seems they don't stay on the trail all the time.  They will go into nearby towns for dinner and a motel, which I had not originally thought one would do.

I had envisioned doing it on one's own, tent camping, etc.  Then I learned you need a support car, in effect, to bring you food and water, duh.  Then I see folks off the trail basically acting like tourists on a walk.  I get why they do that.  It makes it a lot more manageable, though often a motel will not be anywhere near where the AT actually goes, as it delves into some pretty distant regions, like the Smokies.  

Maybe somebody here has done it, or part, or looked into it in more detail.  The most I might do is one segment maybe.

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« Reply #1319 on: May 31, 2024, 08:27:25 AM »
I've been getting google stories and FB stuff as well.

I have NOT done it, or part, or looked into it in more detail.  The most I might do is read about it here, maybe.
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« Reply #1320 on: May 31, 2024, 08:38:09 AM »
Yeah, I kinda enjoy the stories of through hikers a bit, and photos of them starting a bit north of here.  We go to that State Park fairly often, but the actual trail starts some 8 miles from the park where one can drive, so you hike 8 miles to get to the trail there.

There are closer jump off points apparently.

Start of Appalachian Trail in North Georgia | Georgia Cabins For You (georgiacfy.com)

There now are hostel type places that cater to through hikers.

We enjoy some hikes in the mountains, but more of the 3-4-5 mile variety of course.  My wife continues to have some leg issues.

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« Reply #1321 on: May 31, 2024, 09:16:52 AM »
There's a good movie/documentary somewhere on the streaming services called "Mile, Mile & a Half" about through-hiking the John Muir Trail. 

I definitely want to do it someday. It's about a 3 week hike, and like what CD mentions, usually there are at least two places where you have to set up mail drops for more supplies, as that's too much to carry at once. But unlike what CD talks about, it's basically tent camping the entire time. I think there are one or two spots where you might be able to get off trail for a real restaurant and a cabin rather than a tent, but the rest of it you're camping. 

My son wants me to do this hike with him. 15 miles, with 4000 feet of elevation gained. That'll be a tough one, but I think with all my training over the last two years I can manage to knock that one out much more than I could have previously. 

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« Reply #1322 on: May 31, 2024, 09:37:16 AM »
The Muir Trail would probably be more interesting to me.  It's about a tenth the length of the AT which is more reasonable, but I suspect it's much tougher per mile in many cases.  I don't think I could manage it today (without more training than I'd be willing to do).

How long does it take to hike the John Muir Trail?
[color=var(--bbQxAb)]Most people take about three weeks to complete the JMT, with many averaging around 10-12 miles a day. That said, very fit and experienced hikers may cover 15-17 miles a day. Hiking in the Sierras is no joke, so we recommend overestimating your time on the trail.[/font][/size][/color]


The AT is said to take 5-7 months, so you start in early spring in GA and hope to make it to Maine before cold weather.

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« Reply #1323 on: May 31, 2024, 09:44:00 AM »
I don't know how much weight a fit hiker would consider carrying on either of these trails, probably less on the JMT.  Maybe a water purification filter device would be a help.  You'd need a lot of water.  Dehydrated food, OK, I've eaten that on hiking/camping trips, it works.  It's still weight.  Then your frame with sleeping bag I presume, probably a hiking tent, bear spray for both, phone, good boots, socks, a lot of socks, maybe a change of underwear, it adds up.

I once read AT hiker trim the margins off their maps to save a few grams.

Gloves, rain gear for sure in the AT, a cooking kit with a pan and cup etc.  

Maybe you hike three -four days between resupply?

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« Reply #1324 on: May 31, 2024, 09:45:44 AM »
sounds like fun
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« Reply #1325 on: May 31, 2024, 09:54:06 AM »
It's a bit funny in a way, today many of us have the means to stay at a decent clean motel and drive from A to B, but those same folks will take on a hiking challenge and rough it for a while.  I understand it myself, I think.  At my age, my notion is to stay in a decent motel and hike a few miles and go back to a decent motel.

And dine out.

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« Reply #1326 on: May 31, 2024, 09:56:19 AM »
Yeah, I don't now much about the AT, but I know that the JMT is pretty much all spent at fairly high elevation and you're hitting 8 mountain passes. So it's going to be a LOT of elevation gain over the course of the 200+ miles. 

Back when I was hiking more frequently, anything more than about 3K of elevation gain in a hike was where I'd start to hit my fatigue point and it got really difficult. I did this hike with buddies in early 2016 and it's a killer both because of the amount of elevation gain, but the amount you gain on the way back. Towards the end I was barely making it up hills without stopping, and the only things that kept me going were A) I'm too big for them to carry me and B) we were going to an awesome brewery I'd never visited afterwards. 

I think my conditioning is much better now. 

Not that I think you'll have much chance to do any hiking in San Diego, but if you wanted to get out for a fun one, there's always Potato Chip Rock. You can get a good picture. My brother came to visit in 2016 with his son, and I took my oldest (then 7 yo), and we hiked it...


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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #1327 on: May 31, 2024, 09:59:05 AM »
My one rough hike was in the Smokies, 4200 foot elevation change, but the real problem is I chose a route that was shorter but used by horses.  The horses broke up the rocks so I'd take a step up and slide back a bit, on and on for seven miles.  We took the other trail coming down and it was soft packed earth, much easier.

Mt. Leconte trail by Rainbow Falls, if you ever do it, take the other trail, or the Alum Cave Bluff trail.

We stayed in a shelter on top because of bears.

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« Reply #1328 on: May 31, 2024, 10:02:11 AM »
I don't know how much weight a fit hiker would consider carrying on either of these trails, probably less on the JMT.  Maybe a water purification filter device would be a help.  You'd need a lot of water.  Dehydrated food, OK, I've eaten that on hiking/camping trips, it works.  It's still weight.  Then your frame with sleeping bag I presume, probably a hiking tent, bear spray for both, phone, good boots, socks, a lot of socks, maybe a change of underwear, it adds up.

I once read AT hiker trim the margins off their maps to save a few grams.

Gloves, rain gear for sure in the AT, a cooking kit with a pan and cup etc. 

Maybe you hike three -four days between resupply?
Yeah, I've heard a typical pack is 50-60 lbs after each resupply. I think it's usually 5-7 days per resupply. Most use water purification systems though as I don't think it's feasible to carry that much water. 

I figure if I ever do it, my size will be a double edged sword... Being so big, I can carry a lot more than many smaller people. But being so big, I'm going to need WAY more in the way of calories to get through it than smaller people, so I'll be forced to carry that much more. 



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Re: Travels and Impressions
« Reply #1329 on: May 31, 2024, 10:08:08 AM »
My son told me his standard combat load in Iraq was around 90 pounds.  About 30 of that was the rifle and ammo, he carried the M249.  About 35 of that was body armor.

I don't know how it's humanly possible.

I was checking out the AT through Georgia, it crosses some highways where one could resupply every few days.  The part through the Smokies is probably several days with one resupply point.


 

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