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Topic: Sporty Cars (and trucks too now)

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utee94

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2212 on: June 12, 2024, 11:38:59 AM »
The maximum towing capacity for the 2024 Ford F-150 is 13,500 pounds. That capacity is only unlocked if you choose the optional 400-hp twin-turbo 3.5-liter V-6. Going with the venerable 5.0-liter V-8 means the maximum towing capacity is 13,000 pounds; the hybrid model can tow up to 12,700.

Those are, to me, impressive figures, and I know other light trucks can do even better, usually based on the 2500 chassis.  I dimly recall some Dodge rated at 35,000 lbs????

That said, I have also read these ratings are a bit wonky and can be, um, massaged.

But they're close enough. The main reason I bought my F150 is because of that twin turbo 3.5L V6.  It's an absolute towing monster and not a single one of the V8s in the same market can touch it-- I know because I tried them all before I bought my F150.

The other reason I bought my F150 is because the Supercrew cabin was the largest in the market by a significant margin, at the time.  And with my wife driving a sporty convertible at the time, and now a Jeep Wrangler, I knew that my pickup would also have to double as our family car.    

One thing to note is that 4x4 diminishes both the towing capacity and the payload, because it's just heavier than 2WD.

Another thing to note is that the absolute highest tow rating combo is a single cab longbed.  The Supercrew +short bed diminishes the capacity as well.

So the best combo for my truck's model year, would have been the 2WD single cab longbed 3.5L twin turbo with max towing package, at 13,500.  Mine is a 4WD supercrew shortbed with the 3.5L twin turbo and max towing package, and is rated at 11,500.

My trailer is 6,500 lbs dry, and hits about 8,500 lbs wet and loaded with camping gear.  It's rated up to 9,500 lbs but I can't imagine what I'd have to load into it to make that kind of weight

Anyway, knowing those tow ratings can be a little wonky as you suggest, I prefer to maintain a healthy safety margin.  So at 8500 lbs wet and loaded, I have about 25% safety margin.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2213 on: June 12, 2024, 11:42:42 AM »
not sporty
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2214 on: June 12, 2024, 11:43:28 AM »
I suspect the ratings are at least suggesting, if not perfect, and 13,000 lbs is better than 10,000 lbs, but probably about the same as 12,000 lbs.

Brakes obviously are a feature in this along with cooling and chassis.

That Ford V6 does look like a great engine.  I kind of like, in theory, the GM 3.0 L Diesel also.

 the new 3.0L Duramax Turbo-Diesel engine gets a maximum towing capacity of 13,000 pounds, rivaled only by the 6.2L V-8 engine out of the four options offered in this line.

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« Reply #2215 on: June 12, 2024, 11:50:29 AM »
not sporty
It has a Sport mode.  When it's not towing, that vehicle is pretty damn sporty. 

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« Reply #2216 on: June 12, 2024, 11:51:42 AM »
I suspect the ratings are at least suggesting, if not perfect, and 13,000 lbs is better than 10,000 lbs, but probably about the same as 12,000 lbs.

Brakes obviously are a feature in this along with cooling and chassis.

That Ford V6 does look like a great engine.  I kind of like, in theory, the GM 3.0 L Diesel also.

the new 3.0L Duramax Turbo-Diesel engine gets a maximum towing capacity of 13,000 pounds, rivaled only by the 6.2L V-8 engine out of the four options offered in this line.
Yeah there are some great diesel options for sure.  I wanted to stick with gas for various reasons.


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« Reply #2217 on: June 12, 2024, 11:59:10 AM »
I have noticed of late the price difference between Diesel and Regular has shrunk a LOT.  I'm not sure why.

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« Reply #2218 on: June 12, 2024, 12:00:26 PM »
I have noticed of late the price difference between Diesel and Regular has shrunk a LOT.  I'm not sure why.
Yup, around here diesel is less than midgrade gas for the first time in probably a decade.  Couldn't tell you why, either.

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2219 on: June 12, 2024, 12:03:20 PM »
What is the sportiest Diesel powered car ever made, for its time?

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« Reply #2220 on: June 12, 2024, 12:19:49 PM »
What is the sportiest Diesel powered car ever made, for its time?
I'm guessing something German.
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« Reply #2221 on: June 12, 2024, 12:26:16 PM »
I'm guessing something German.

Yeah, MB most likely.  And also, probably never sold in the USA.

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« Reply #2222 on: June 12, 2024, 12:30:14 PM »
Yeah, MB most likely.  And also, probably never sold in the USA.
I'm guessing they did not sell in the USA.

They still have new turbodiesel sedans in Europe, like the S and E classes. There may be more.


2024 Mercedes-Benz S-Class Diesel: Less Relevant, Still Excellent (caranddriver.com)
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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2223 on: June 12, 2024, 01:11:33 PM »

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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2224 on: June 12, 2024, 01:14:37 PM »
Porsche Panamera 4S Diesel review: world’s fastest diesel driven Reviews 2024 | Top Gear

With the performance, partly because this is a Porsche capable of 0-62mph in 4.3 when specced with the Sport Chrono package that, naturally, the test car has on board. But also because this is a Porsche that delivers its performance in such an uncanny, alien way, even compared to the new turbocharged 911s, or any hybrids we’ve yet come across from Stuttgart.
Six-hundred-and-twenty foot-pounds of torque at 1,000rpm, transmitted through a new eight-speed dual-clutch gearbox. That’s a quite barmy recipe. But off-the-line grunt, the way the Panamera gets from 0-30, or 50, or 70, isn’t the optimum showcase for this tidal surge of torque. There’s a hesitation detectable as some very clever electronics clearly calibrated by some fiendishly powerful brains marshal boost, gear change, and drive distribution between the axles. You can watch this happening in real-time on one of the displays that bookend the rev counter clockface. 
Where the 4S diesel’s muscularity really comes into its own is the force it’ll generate accelerating in fifth or sixth gear. Most cars are settling into a dawdle in fifth or sixth. The Panamera Diesel feels like it could a tear a hole through a hot hatchback giving all it’s got in second. The thing accelerates in a vacuum, impeded by the quantity of air it has to push out of its way, or the gravitational pull of its 2.2-tonne mass. The only other diesel road car that has such a laugh-out-loud over endowment of punch is the wonderful Audi SQ7 which, hey presto, uses the same engine.




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Re: Sporty Cars
« Reply #2225 on: June 12, 2024, 01:19:25 PM »
But they're close enough. The main reason I bought my F150 is because of that twin turbo 3.5L V6.  It's an absolute towing monster and not a single one of the V8s in the same market can touch it-- I know because I tried them all before I bought my F150.

The other reason I bought my F150 is because the Supercrew cabin was the largest in the market by a significant margin, at the time.  And with my wife driving a sporty convertible at the time, and now a Jeep Wrangler, I knew that my pickup would also have to double as our family car.   

One thing to note is that 4x4 diminishes both the towing capacity and the payload, because it's just heavier than 2WD.

Another thing to note is that the absolute highest tow rating combo is a single cab longbed.  The Supercrew +short bed diminishes the capacity as well.

So the best combo for my truck's model year, would have been the 2WD single cab longbed 3.5L twin turbo with max towing package, at 13,500.  Mine is a 4WD supercrew shortbed with the 3.5L twin turbo and max towing package, and is rated at 11,500.

My trailer is 6,500 lbs dry, and hits about 8,500 lbs wet and loaded with camping gear.  It's rated up to 9,500 lbs but I can't imagine what I'd have to load into it to make that kind of weight

Anyway, knowing those tow ratings can be a little wonky as you suggest, I prefer to maintain a healthy safety margin.  So at 8500 lbs wet and loaded, I have about 25% safety margin.
Exactly.  I have a Dodge ram with the V-8 and it toes fine for what I need it for which is just my 25 foot boat and trailer, well below its towing capacity.

My brother from the other side of the state was recently in town and we went pick up truck shopping.  We narrowed it down to a brand new Dodge ram ( still with the V-8 Hemi- as opposed to the new 6 Cyliner Hurricane motor they now offer, which has more HP and TQ than the Hemi)- and an F-150 with the 6 cylinder Eco-Boost.

Two beautiful trucks.  But over these last three or four years, the people at Dodge have let their success get to their head, with all of these truck of the year awards. Their prices have gone up too much.

For basically the same truck in terms of features, four-wheel-drive, bed size, etc. the ram now cost between 12,000 and 14,000 more 

He picked up the Ford F150 and it is a beautiful truck. 

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