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utee94

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12194 on: January 31, 2021, 11:32:28 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
But you yourself mentioned France's kids were in school. As they are in many places. So I'm not seeing evidence that leadership makes no difference.
Kids are in school in Texas and Florida.

They aren't elsewhere.

Our school systems aren't operated by the Federal government, nor should they be.  Federalism is one of our many strengths.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12195 on: January 31, 2021, 11:32:43 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
But you yourself mentioned France's kids were in school. As they are in many places. So I'm not seeing evidence that leadership makes no difference.
The federal gov does not "run" our schools

State and local gov does
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12196 on: January 31, 2021, 11:33:39 AM »
I'm talking about area  under the curve.  Whatever European countries have tried they appear to end up with the same area under the curve.  Asian and African countries have had a different experience, often with very limited central leadership.

Germany has had a PhD in charge and they have suffered.

The experience in Asia is fascinating and hard to explain other than masks.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12197 on: January 31, 2021, 11:39:57 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:27:43 AM
But you yourself mentioned France's kids were in school. As they are in many places. So I'm not seeing evidence that leadership makes no difference.
Yes, leadership is making a difference.


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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12198 on: January 31, 2021, 11:39:58 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 31, 2021, 11:32:28 AM
Kids are in school in Texas and Florida.

They aren't elsewhere.

Our school systems aren't operated by the Federal government, nor should they be.  Federalism is one of our many strengths.
Right, I'm not talking about forcing schools or anyone else to do anything. I'm talking about setting goals and explaining these goals to the public.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12199 on: January 31, 2021, 11:41:18 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:39:58 AM
Right, I'm not talking about forcing schools or anyone else to do anything. I'm talking about setting goals and explaining these goals to the public.
The CDC has done this. So has Anthony Fauci.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12200 on: January 31, 2021, 11:47:41 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on January 31, 2021, 11:41:18 AM
The CDC has done this. So has Anthony Fauci.
So has the WHO.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12201 on: January 31, 2021, 11:48:55 AM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:39:58 AM
Right, I'm not talking about forcing schools or anyone else to do anything. I'm talking about setting goals and explaining these goals to the public.
The #FollowTheScience #OMGIT'sTheScience crowd in those states STILL aren't willing to open up the schools despite many months of evidence with scores of millions of kids around the globe.

So how would any kind of "effective leadership message" from the previous administration have changed their views?  

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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12202 on: January 31, 2021, 11:52:59 AM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 31, 2021, 11:48:55 AM
The #FollowTheScience #OMGIT'sTheScience crowd in those states STILL aren't willing to open up the schools despite many months of evidence with scores of millions of kids around the globe.

So how would any kind of "effective leadership message" from the previous administration have changed their views? 
There has been a much clearer commitment to opening up schools here in the past couple weeks, though obviously it's a bit apples and oranges due to the vaccine.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12203 on: January 31, 2021, 12:00:10 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:52:59 AM
There has been a much clearer commitment to opening up schools here in the past couple weeks, though obviously it's a bit apples and oranges due to the vaccine.

Trump was stating quite openly back in the summer that he thought schools should be open, and was urging the states to reopen schools in-person for the new schoolyear.

So if it took the removal of Trump, before some states would make a "clearer commitment" toward doing exactly what he'd been asking them to do for the past 8 months, then that's an indication that NO AMOUNT of Federal direction was going to make them follow that course of action, as long as it was the course recommended by Trump.

Here's just one link to his statements back in July:
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/07/30/trump-pushes-to-reopen-schools-says-closures-will-probably-cause-more-death.html
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12204 on: January 31, 2021, 12:03:07 PM »
You're really arguing yourself in circles here Max.

You're asking for clear direction from the Federal Leadsership, and you specifically mentioned schools as being a particular problem.

Yet the former president was making clear statements suggesting ALL schools should reopen in-person, 8 months ago.  

So... which is it?
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12205 on: January 31, 2021, 12:09:37 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on January 31, 2021, 12:03:07 PM
You're really arguing yourself in circles here Max.

You're asking for clear direction from the Federal Leadsership, and you specifically mentioned schools as being a particular problem.

Yet the former president was making clear statements suggesting ALL schools should reopen in-person, 8 months ago. 

So... which is it?
Well, I don't think the former president was at all known for making clear or believable statements on nearly any aspect of this pandemic. Not trying to create some political drama though don't think it's very controversial to state the former president was not known for staying on message.
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12206 on: January 31, 2021, 12:11:19 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 11:39:58 AM
Right, I'm not talking about forcing schools or anyone else to do anything. I'm talking about setting goals and explaining these goals to the public.
setting goals and explaining goals are fine, but actually doing something is the needed follow through

similar to climate change, some folks have set goals and tried to explain them, but...............
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Re: Coronavirus discussion and Quarantine ideas
« Reply #12207 on: January 31, 2021, 12:12:41 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on January 31, 2021, 12:09:37 PM
Well, I don't think the former president was at all known for making clear or believable statements on nearly any aspect of this pandemic. Not trying to create some political drama though don't think it's very controversial to state the former president was not known for staying on message.
this is true
some just don't feel that simply staying on message would have helped much
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