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Topic: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive

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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #28 on: May 24, 2020, 02:40:24 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on May 24, 2020, 09:54:21 AM
The only point of contention there is that draft position is based on a lot more than performance in college.

Take Purdue WRs from the early 2000s, John Standeford and Taylor Stubblefield. Neither were drafted. John Standeford set the Big Ten completions and yardage records by his senior year. The next year Stubblefield beat the completions record--and beat the NCAA career completions record, as well as owning Purdue's single-season receiving TD record that year.

That's where you run into problems by including draft position. Both players thrived, but neither had the athleticism or body to be exciting to NFL GMs, so neither were drafted.
Unfortunately for them, if they were coming out now, they'd be 2nd-4th round picks, in an attempt to mimic the Wes Welker slot WR teams employ now.  
Bad timiing.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #29 on: May 24, 2020, 08:20:13 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2020, 02:39:11 PM
Ehhh, maybe like 50% of it. 
50% is something
NFL career is nothing
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #30 on: May 25, 2020, 08:48:26 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2020, 02:40:24 PM
Unfortunately for them, if they were coming out now, they'd be 2nd-4th round picks, in an attempt to mimic the Wes Welker slot WR teams employ now. 
Bad timiing.
Standeford was an outside WR. 

Stubblefield *might* have gotten a look, but given that he was clocked at 4.75 on his pro day at Purdue... I'm not sure he excited anyone.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #31 on: May 25, 2020, 09:03:09 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on May 25, 2020, 08:48:26 AM
Standeford was an outside WR.

Stubblefield *might* have gotten a look, but given that he was clocked at 4.75 on his pro day at Purdue... I'm not sure he excited anyone.
Was there another long S-named WR at Purdue?  Let me look it up.

Ah, Sutherland.  That's who I was thinking of - him and Stubblefield.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #32 on: May 26, 2020, 04:05:41 AM »
247Sports has ranked the best schools for every position based on NFL draft.

They started with the EDGE position (which consists of OLB's and DE's only- no DT's) - and Ohio State is #1 and Michigan is #2. They look at the last 5 drafts and assign points based on which round every player is drafted.

1) Ohio State - 6 NFL draft picks (3- 1st rd) - 36 points
2) Michigan - 6 NFL draft picks (2- 1st rd)  - 33 points
3) Alabama - 5 NFL draft picks (0- 1st rd)  - 25 points
T4) Wisconsin - 6 NFL draft picks (1- 1st rd) - 24 points 
T4) Clemson - 4 NFL draft picks (2 - 1st rd) 24 points 
6) Georgia - 4 NFL draft picks (1 - 1st rd) - 20 points
7) Florida State - 3 NFL draft picks (1 - 1st rd) - 17 points
8) Florida - 4 NFL Draft picks (0- 1st rd) - 16 points
9) Penn State - 3 NFL Draft picks (0- 1st rd) - 15 points
10) TCU - 3 NFL draft picks (1- 1st rd) - 14 points
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #33 on: May 26, 2020, 09:23:41 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 25, 2020, 09:03:09 PM
Was there another long S-named WR at Purdue?  Let me look it up.

Ah, Sutherland.  That's who I was thinking of - him and Stubblefield.
Vinny Sutherland ended up getting drafted, but he wasn't like either--he was one of those fast shifty guys who could break one on any play. At the combine he recorded a 4.48. He ended up spending a little time in the league as PR/KR, but never really found himself a home anywhere at WR.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #34 on: May 26, 2020, 11:28:22 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 26, 2020, 04:05:41 AM
247Sports has ranked the best schools for every position based on NFL draft.

They started with the EDGE position (which consists of OLB's and DE's only- no DT's) - and Ohio State is #1 and Michigan is #2. They look at the last 5 drafts and assign points based on which round every player is drafted.


10) TCU - 3 NFL draft picks (1- 1st rd) - 14 points
good for TCU and the Big 12 - playing defense!
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #35 on: May 26, 2020, 04:29:31 PM »
Learning about Patterson's 3-3-5 defense is really interesting.  They do the opposite of what many try - they want to funnel runs to the outside.  Very trippy stuff, goes against everything I'd heard.  But it seems to generally be effective.  

His defenses have been up and down, but that's understandable at a program like TCU.  They were more often elite pre-Big 12.
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« Reply #36 on: May 26, 2020, 07:06:54 PM »
I've heard it referred top as "spilling" the run to the sideline

Pelini did some of this.  Didn't work vs Melvin Gordon.  Mostly because the Badgers blocked well
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #37 on: May 26, 2020, 07:51:47 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 26, 2020, 04:29:31 PM
Learning about Patterson's 3-3-5 defense is really interesting.  They do the opposite of what many try - they want to funnel runs to the outside.  Very trippy stuff, goes against everything I'd heard.  But it seems to generally be effective. 

His defenses have been up and down, but that's understandable at a program like TCU.  They were more often elite pre-Big 12.
So, either his defense aren't as good now because he's in the Big 12, where it is forbidden to play defense, or his defenses aren't as good now because he was playing a mid-major schedule before and now he's playing a P5 schedule.
Which do you think is the better explanation.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #38 on: May 26, 2020, 07:55:35 PM »
The latter, of course.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #39 on: May 26, 2020, 08:21:33 PM »
Dang!  I thought sure you'd pick the choice saying that it's against the rules to play defense in the Big 12.

Just one disappointment after another today.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #40 on: May 26, 2020, 10:34:03 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on May 26, 2020, 08:21:33 PM
Dang!  I thought sure you'd pick the choice saying that it's against the rules to play defense in the Big 12.

Just one disappointment after another today.
well defense does seem to be optional in the Big 12. Which, by the way can we change the names of these conferences? The Big 12 has ten teams and the Big Ten has 14 teams. Wtf.
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Re: Schools where players at certain positions go to thrive
« Reply #41 on: May 27, 2020, 01:44:45 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on May 26, 2020, 10:34:03 PM
well defense does seem to be optional in the Big 12. Which, by the way can we change the names of these conferences? The Big 12 has ten teams and the Big Ten has 14 teams. Wtf.
Big 10 and Big Fourteen?
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