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Topic: The Death of College Football - Realignment, NIL, Portal, Etc.

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Gigem

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« Reply #3206 on: January 06, 2026, 09:45:48 AM »
But my point was supposed to be that every system is flawed...and when you try to re-invent the flawed system you usually end up with unintended consequences.  Remember the original BCS formula?  They tweaked it every year, because they didn't like the outcome.  Some argue that the playoff committee should use some variation of the BCS formula.  But the whole reason they do it by committee is because the formula was flawed...sometimes.  

Original Formula...Humans pick the winner, remember we didn't want a "playoff" champion. 
Version 1.1....A computer (spreadsheet) picks the two best teams, because we didn't have the two best playing a the end of the year.  1990 GT/CU and 1997 Michigan/Nebraska says hello. 

Version 1.2 2003 LSU/USC split title.  Oops.  

Version 2 BCS + 1 MNC (am I hallucinating this?  I can't seem to remember much about it.  )

 V3 CFB playoff-4 team edition. 

V4 CFB Playoff-12 team.  

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« Reply #3207 on: January 06, 2026, 10:07:56 AM »
Defend it.

Steel man the 4-team division-winners (only 6 of your 17 games being within your division) hosting a playoff game, no matter the record disparity between them and teams that didn't win their division.
Hmmm, yeah, Im not going to engage with that kind of unpleasant style of demand. Run along now kiddo. 

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« Reply #3208 on: January 06, 2026, 10:12:58 AM »
a - no one gives a shit about Oregon St
b - you're comparing a situation where a 1-game worse Purdue gets in over a 9-2 ND with the example I gave of a sub-.500 team hosting a 12-5 team?  Mkay.
c - Also, ND would be in the same division as Purdue, so.....idk what to tell you

If you have a division-winner with a subpar record, they'd be the 8 seed and have to play @ the #1 team. 
Also, if you're one of those teams on the outside looking in, and you didn't win your division AND weren't one of the top 2 at-large teams, no, you don't get to bitch about anything.

Winning a 10-team division is A LOT different than going 8-9 like Carolina in a 4-team division, and you know this.
I'm afraid you're not doing a good job of really putting yourself in my proposed format. 
It's tough to put myself in your scenario because it doesn't exist, and thus I'd have to create a hypothetical which would then be easily shot down. 

But I do think "unworthy division winner getting in on a down year for that division while worthy runners-up from stronger divisions are left out" would generate uproar in a 6+2 format. As we saw this year with Texas and Notre Dame. 

And I tried to qualify the fact that I was comparing a 3-loss CFB team (or a 4-loss team if you used 2025 Duke) to a ~0.500 team in the NFL because of the lack of parity in CFB. Especially since the reason you want to keep it at 60 teams and keep the weak P4 teams is so the helmets still have enough patsies on their schedule that they can beat up on. 

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« Reply #3209 on: January 06, 2026, 10:19:51 AM »
PROPOSED B1G East:  Michigan, Ohio St, Michigan St, Penn St, Maryland, Virginia, Notre Dame, Indiana, Purdue, Rutgers
In 2000:
UM 8-3
NW 8-3
Pur 8-3
OSU 8-3
PSU 5-7
MSU 5-6
IU 3-8
UVA 6-5
Md 5-6
ND 9-2, with win over Purdue

So ND would win the division.  A one-game lead and h2h. 
But that's not the important part.  It's 9 conference games.  THAT'S a sample size.  It's so completely more statistically valid (9 of 12) than 6 of 17 is, that I can't even believe we're having this conversation.

You can't really do that. Because that 9-2 Notre Dame team didn't play those other teams. The only teams on that list they actually played were Purdue and MSU. You're using a record from a disparate schedule. We can't know what Notre Dame's record would be had they been in the actual B1G in 2000. 

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« Reply #3210 on: January 06, 2026, 11:11:02 PM »
I know, but he went there, so...
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« Reply #3211 on: January 06, 2026, 11:11:10 PM »
Hmmm, yeah, Im not going to engage with that kind of unpleasant style of demand. Run along now kiddo.
Thought so.
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« Reply #3212 on: January 06, 2026, 11:15:13 PM »
It's tough to put myself in your scenario because it doesn't exist, and thus I'd have to create a hypothetical which would then be easily shot down.

But I do think "unworthy division winner getting in on a down year for that division while worthy runners-up from stronger divisions are left out" would generate uproar in a 6+2 format. As we saw this year with Texas and Notre Dame.

And I tried to qualify the fact that I was comparing a 3-loss CFB team (or a 4-loss team if you used 2025 Duke) to a ~0.500 team in the NFL because of the lack of parity in CFB. Especially since the reason you want to keep it at 60 teams and keep the weak P4 teams is so the helmets still have enough patsies on their schedule that they can beat up on.
I'm not sure why you're shedding a tear for a team that in my format didn't win their division AND wasn't valued as one of the 2 best non-winners of a division.  The response to those teams is the same as the message to ND this year:  tough shit.  Except that in my scenario, every team can earn their way in on a level playing field.

And yes, I do what to keep a large number of teams for that nice, spread-out bell curve.  I believe elite teams should have elite records.  But yes, some years there'd be an 9-3 division winner, but they'd be playing a road game in the playoff.  And none of the other teams in its division has any room to complain.  
“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

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« Reply #3213 on: January 06, 2026, 11:17:46 PM »
Welp, you just gave me a list of 5 games in.....15 years.  Oh my god, it's so flawed! 
What does the frequency have to do with the validity?
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« Reply #3214 on: January 07, 2026, 07:16:31 AM »
What does the frequency have to do with the validity?
Because it’s unusual. An anomaly. 


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« Reply #3216 on: January 08, 2026, 01:14:43 AM »
Because it’s unusual. An anomaly.
But with 4-team divisions playing a 17-game schedule, it's also inevitable.

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« Reply #3217 on: January 08, 2026, 01:23:47 AM »
My 3 conf, 6-divisions with a playoff idea is simply an attempt to continue the progression that's occurred with a feasible, improved format.

I'd much rather have the same setup, with the old bowls system and a +1 post-bowl NCG as needed.

But that's not happening.  

I think it's a case of maybe capitalism not being the best idea when it comes to sports.  Maybe it needs to be a little more socialist.  Stock car racing.  Stock.  Find out who's actually best by making the context as even and balanced as possible.

Maybe making the most possible money isn't what's best for the sport.  Crazy talk, I know.  
Maybe if you're a blueblood, you exercise your inherent advantages while being in financial equality with everyone else.  

“The Swamp is where Gators live.  We feel comfortable there, but we hope our opponents feel tentative. A swamp is hot and sticky and can be dangerous." - Steve Spurrier

 

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