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« Reply #3038 on: February 28, 2024, 08:25:29 AM »
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Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme Is Assassinated (1986)
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« Reply #3039 on: February 29, 2024, 08:07:17 AM »


Weird seeing those electric buses back then, and now they are expanding the streetcar line, which has been a complete bust so far.  These urban planners seem to fall in love with things that are not really practicable.  Now, maybe the streetcar thing takes off, I don't know that, the new terminus is much more of a destination than the old one at least.

And heavy rail is just too expensive to build any more.

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« Reply #3040 on: February 29, 2024, 08:20:07 AM »

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« Reply #3041 on: February 29, 2024, 09:41:31 AM »


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« Reply #3042 on: February 29, 2024, 09:57:31 AM »
[img width=274.381 height=389]https://i.imgur.com/z6Y4y5i.png[/img]

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The evolution if Corvette engines from the pathetic Blue Flame Special Straight Six of 1953 to that monstrosity of today.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3043 on: February 29, 2024, 10:11:18 AM »
Zora Duntov.

Zora Arkus-Duntov - Wikipedia

Arkus-Duntov joined General Motors in 1953 after seeing the Motorama Corvette on display in New York City. He found the car visually superb, but was disappointed with what was underneath. He wrote Chevrolet chief engineer Ed Cole that it would be a pleasure to work on such a beautiful car; he also included a technical paper which proposed an analytical method of determining a car's top speed. Chevrolet was so impressed, engineer Maurice Olley invited him to come to Detroit. On May 1, 1953, Arkus-Duntov started at Chevrolet as an assistant staff engineer.[1]

Shortly after going to work for Chevrolet, Arkus-Duntov set the tone for what he was about to accomplish in a memo to his bosses. The document, "Thoughts Pertaining to Youth, Hot Rodders and Chevrolet", laid out Duntov's views on overcoming Ford's lead in use by customizers and racers, and how to increase both the acceptance and the likelihood of success of the Chevrolet V8 in this market.[7] In 1957 Arkus-Duntov became Director of High Performance Vehicles at Chevrolet.[8] After helping to introduce the small-block V8 engine to the Corvette in 1955, providing the car with much-needed power, he set about showcasing the engine by ascending Pike's Peak in 1956 in a pre-production car (a 1956 Bel Air 4-door hardtop), setting a stock car record. He took a Corvette to Daytona Beach the same year and hit a record-setting 150 mph (240 km/h) over the flying mile.[citation needed] He also developed the famous Duntov high-lift camshaft and helped bring fuel injection to the Corvette in 1957.[1] He is credited with introducing the first mass-produced American car with four-wheel disc brakes.[9]

1963 Split-window Corvette.

A conflict arose between Duntov and Chevrolet chief designer Bill Mitchell over the design of the new C2 Corvette "Sting Ray" model.[4]: 360, 361  Mitchell designed the car with a long hood and a raised windsplit that ran the length of the roof and continued down the back on a pillar that bisected the rear window into right and left halves. Duntov felt that the elongated hood interfered with the driver's view of the road ahead, and the rear pillar obscured the driver's view rearwards. The split rear window was widely criticized, and a one-piece backlite was put in its place the next year.[4]: 384, 385 



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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3044 on: February 29, 2024, 10:38:42 AM »
He also developed the famous Duntov high-lift camshaft and helped bring fuel injection to the Corvette in 1957.[1] He is credited with introducing the first mass-produced American car with four-wheel disc brakes.[9]
I talked with a guy who owned one. The story was that it was AMAZING . . .

When it worked.

The backstory is that fuel injection had been around for decades and by WWII it was common in military aircraft. Fuel injection was vital for military aircraft because carburetors tend not to work upside down or under certain g-force conditions related to maneuvers such as climbing or diving rapidly.

Getting it from high performance aircraft with dedicated mechanics spending whatever time it took to keep it functional into a car for everyday use was a substantial challenge.

Apart from the maintenance issues, car engines are a LOT smaller. The early Chevy V8's were 265 Cid (Cubic Inches Displacement) or 4.34L. By comparison the Double Wasp that powered the Corsair and Hellcat was 2,800 Cid or 46L and the Merlin that powered the Spitfire and Mustang was 1,650 Cid or 27L.

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Re: OT - Weird History
« Reply #3045 on: February 29, 2024, 10:45:01 AM »
It was also of course mechanical fuel injection which got complex in a hurry.  I can't imagine working on one of those Double Wasp type engines, and they did fail in flight fairly often, more often than would be tolerated in any civilian application.

"My" Cessna 152 (or 172) had an over sized 4 cylinced "boxer" engine with magnetos and carb heat and manual fuel air ratio and a primer for starting.  I chuckle about that now.  When they started making new Cessnas, they went to fuel injection, but had to detune the engine as a result as anything with 200 hp or more requires additional certification for the pilots for "complex engines".

Fuel injection MAY be the single most important modern feature of current engines making them so powerful (and less polluting).

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« Reply #3046 on: February 29, 2024, 10:49:18 AM »
I talked with a guy who owned one. The story was that it was AMAZING . . .

When it worked.

The backstory is that fuel injection had been around for decades and by WWII it was common in military aircraft. Fuel injection was vital for military aircraft because carburetors tend not to work upside down or under certain g-force conditions related to maneuvers such as climbing or diving rapidly.

Getting it from high performance aircraft with dedicated mechanics spending whatever time it took to keep it functional into a car for everyday use was a substantial challenge.

Apart from the maintenance issues, car engines are a LOT smaller. The early Chevy V8's were 265 Cid (Cubic Inches Displacement) or 4.34L. By comparison the Double Wasp that powered the Corsair and Hellcat was 2,800 Cid or 46L and the Merlin that powered the Spitfire and Mustang was 1,650 Cid or 27L.

My dad was a Staff Sargent and aircraft mechanic in the Marine 4th Air Wing in WW2.  He loved the Corsair.  One of his many interesting stories was how they routinely would dump brand new aircraft engines, among other things, into the lagoon on Peleliu since they had no need, or space, and couldn't send them back.
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« Reply #3047 on: February 29, 2024, 11:01:57 AM »
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« Reply #3048 on: February 29, 2024, 11:25:27 AM »
It was also of course mechanical fuel injection which got complex in a hurry.  I can't imagine working on one of those Double Wasp type engines, and they did fail in flight fairly often, more often than would be tolerated in any civilian application.
Agreed, those are insanely complex.  For those unaware, the Double Wasp engine that @Cincydawg is referring to here is the Pratt and Whitney R-2800 Double Wasp.  It was a twin-row, 18-cylinder radial. 

Radial means that instead of the pistons being in a single line (like an inline four common in smaller cars today) or in two lines in a "V" shape like the classic American V8's, the cylinders were arranged radially out from the center crankshaft.  

Twin-row means that there were two rows of cylinders so for this 18-cylinder engine each row had nine cylinders.  

What is truly amazing is that the US needed and managed to successfully train and deploy literally thousands of guys like @Temp430 's dad to maintain these insanely complex engines all over the world.  

The US built a little better than 125 THOUSAND of the R-2800's and used them to power the Corsairs, Hellcats, Marauders (2x per plane), and Thunderbolts among others.   

They also built the even larger Wright R-3350 Duplex-Cyclone which was a similar twin-row, 18-cylinder radial of 3,350 Cid or nearly 55L.  
My dad was a Staff Sargent and aircraft mechanic in the Marine 4th Air Wing in WW2.  He loved the Corsair.  One of his many interesting stories was how they routinely would dump brand new aircraft engines, among other things, into the lagoon on Peleliu since they had no need, or space, and couldn't send them back.
That is awesome and thanks to him for his service.  

The story of dumping unneeded surplus engines (which cost a fortune to build)* into a lagoon really explains why the US won.  Omar Bradley said "amateurs study strategy, professionals study logistics."  

I once saw a WWII German Soldier interviewed and he stated that the point at which he realized that the Reich was finished was during the Battle of the Bulge.  Despite the location of the Battle of the Bulge being right on the German border and only a few hundred miles from the German Industrial Heartland his army was out of or running out of nearly everything.  Then, when he advanced into formerly American-held territory he saw MOUNTAINS of surplus equipment, parts, weapons, ammunition, etc just like the surplus engines chucked into a lagoon by your dad and his buddies because they had more than they needed.  The German Soldier pointed out that this was thousands of miles and an ocean away from the American Industrial heartland and yet the Americans had a seemingly limitless supply of everything they needed.  

*Just to be clear, this is not AT ALL a criticism of your dad and his buddies.  The story you shared perfectly illustrates American logistical prowess that the Axis (and for that matter the other allied) powers simply couldn't imagine let alone duplicate.  Everybody else was dealing with shortages of more-or-less everything while the biggest logistical problem your dad had was that he had too many aircraft engines to store so they had to chuck them in a lagoon to make room for stuff that they did need.  

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« Reply #3049 on: February 29, 2024, 11:44:17 AM »
I've mentioned before my Dad was a staff sergeant radar operator on a B-24.  He told me the night the plane went down, the first rolled out on their regular aircraft and during runup, one of the superchargers "ran away" (I infer the waste gate stuck closed, or something).  With four engines, things happened fairly often, so they taxied back and got another aircraft.

He remembers taking off as usual and says they had gained altitude enough for him to roll down the radar antenna (which replaced the belly turret).  I sent for the official records a while back and they claim the B-24 went into the ocean just after takeoff, my Dad says that couldn't have happened, they had to have been miles out at least.  He had a tiny compartment just forward of the bombay, and he thinks when they hit the ocean, the radar dome hit first and tore the plane open and he floated out.  He said there was no way he could have gotten out otherwise.  Three survived, the copilot went through the wind screen and the flight engineer apparently went through after him.  The other seven perished.

I met the copilot many years back, he had a flattened forehead from the experience.  They floated around in the ocean however long and finally were picked up by a US destroyer.  My Dad and the copilot were badly injured, the flight engineer, a made named "Isadore Lamica", kept them afloat.  Izzy, as he was called, didn't make it home, he went down on a later flight.

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« Reply #3050 on: February 29, 2024, 11:50:02 AM »
My Dad told me the radar was fairly sophisticated.  He had a "G scope" that was slaved to the bomb released.  They'd line up over a Japanese ship (at night) trying to get it lengthwise, and when the G-scope line intercepted with the middle line, bombs would be released one two three in an interval he would set.

They carried the usual crew with gunners for reasons no one understood, they couldn't see at night of course.  Once the gunners begged the pilot to over fly some Japanese air base so they did, once.  They told him the sky lit up with so much flack it scared them to death, a lumbering B-24 at probably 500 feet altitude even at night, the Japs opened up.

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« Reply #3051 on: February 29, 2024, 08:50:49 PM »
THIS DAY IN HISTORY: 

First African American wins Academy Award (1940)
Hattie McDaniel was an African-American singer-songwriter, comedienne, stage actress, radio performer, and television star. She appeared in over 300 films and is best known for her role as Mammy in the iconic 1939 film Gone with the Wind, a performance that earned her the first Academy Award ever presented to an African American. McDaniel's Oscar was later lost.
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