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Topic: #7 Notre Dame 27, #6 Penn State 24 Postgame

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ELA

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#7 Notre Dame 27, #6 Penn State 24 Postgame
« on: January 03, 2025, 03:24:12 PM »
Can't wait to watch this with my PSU fan BIL (who has never been to Happy Valley) and my Notre Dame fan FIL (who has never been to South Bend).

In case anyone wonders why this is the ultimate hate Final 4
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #1 on: January 03, 2025, 04:05:05 PM »
we might never see a team have such an easy path to a Natty appearance as Penn State. 

Penn State has to play SMU (Lmfao), Boise State (LOL), and ND in order to make it to the final dance. No disrespect to ND, but do they win that game if Carson Beck doesn't get hurt? I doubt it. 

Ohio State had to play...Tennessee, Oregon, and Texas. 

Franklin is just failing upwards. It's incredible. 


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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #2 on: January 03, 2025, 04:19:12 PM »
Carson Beck went from being a massive disappointment to being why Georgia lost

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #3 on: January 03, 2025, 04:30:00 PM »
we might never see a team have such an easy path to a Natty appearance as Penn State.

Penn State has to play SMU (Lmfao), Boise State (LOL), and ND in order to make it to the final dance. No disrespect to ND, but do they win that game if Carson Beck doesn't get hurt? I doubt it.

Ohio State had to play...Tennessee, Oregon, and Texas.

Franklin is just failing upwards. It's incredible.
I liked because I agree that PSU's path has been ridiculously easy.  However, I think it is an overstatement to say that Franklin is "failing".  He had a rough 2020 but since then they've been pretty good.  PSU losses 2021-2024 (final rank that season):
  • 2021 Iowa (by a FG) #23
  • 2021 Illinois (9OT) nr
  • 2021 Ohio State (by 9 on the road) #6
  • 2021 Michigan (by 4) #3
  • 2021 Michigan State (by a FG) #9
  • 2021 Arkansas (by 2 TD's) #21
  • 2022 Michigan (by a lot) #3
  • 2022 Ohio State (by a TD) #4
  • 2023 Ohio State (by 8 on the road) #10
  • 2023 Michigan (by 9 at home) #1
  • 2023 Ole Miss (by 13) #9
  • 2024 Ohio State (by a TD) Final ranking TBD but tOSU is one of the last four standing
  • 2024 Oregon (by 8) Final ranking TBD but Oregon was #1 in the last poll before their loss to tOSU

In four years they've had 13 (14 if they don't win the NC) losses but 10 (11) were to teams that finished in the top-10.  Obviously everybody wants to win those games but the teams that finish in the top-10 don't lose much and since 2021 they haven't lost to a team that finished outside the top-10.  

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #4 on: January 03, 2025, 04:33:51 PM »
Athletic pointed out that he only has one loss as a favorite, and it was against Ole Miss in an irrelevant bowl game.  You would think he would win a game as an underdog at some point, but he also doesn't lose games as a favorite

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #5 on: January 03, 2025, 04:43:58 PM »
Athletic pointed out that he only has one loss as a favorite, and it was against Ole Miss in an irrelevant bowl game.  You would think he would win a game as an underdog at some point, but he also doesn't lose games as a favorite
Winning the games you are supposed to win is a highly under-appreciated accomplishment.  Ryan Day similarly, hadn't lost to an unranked team until Michigan this year.  

People say it is easy but if it was easy, everyone would do it:
  • Ask #11 Alabama how easy it is to beat unranked teams.  They missed the CFP because they lost not once but twice to unranked teams.  
  • Ask #13 Miami how easy it is to beat unranked teams.  They missed the CFP because they lost to unranked Syracuse.  
  • Ask #14 Ole Miss how easy it is to beat unranked teams.  They missed the CFP because they lost not once by twice to unranked teams.  
  • Ask LSU how easy it is to beat unranked teams.  They lost to one (Florida) and another that was ranked when the game was played but finished unranked (USC).  LSU would be in the CFP if they had won those.  
  • Ask aTm how easy it is to beat unranked teams.  They missed the CFP because they lost not once but twice to unranked teams.  


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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #6 on: January 03, 2025, 04:46:17 PM »
Two good defenses with solid defensive lines. Notre Dame moves the ball on the ground well, with a game managing QB who isn't likely to gift a lot to the other side. Penn State is a balanced team with a better throwing game, also unlikely to throw many INTs.

They had two common opponents. Both destroyed Purdue, ND by a little more. Both had to fight to beat USC in Los Angeles, though PSU needed OT, whereas ND dominated the 3rd quarter to give themselves a solid, if not safe, lead to the end. If those common opponents tell us anything, ND has an edge, but within a reasonable margin of error.

ND's win over Georgia was a "better" playoff win than PSU has, but it's not as though they had any impressive offensive production. ND dominated Indiana more than the score showed, but PSU stomped SMU and easily dispatched Boise State.

I expect a low scoring, defensive battle. A "classic" kind of a college football game between a pair of traditional Kings of the sport. In this kind of a game, turnovers and the kicking game feel like they will rule the day. The kicking game is a place ND should be somewhat concerned. Their kicker and their return for a touchdown essentially won the Georgia game for them, but throughout the season their field goals were a bit like my golf game: you never really know what you're going to get, and it's not what you want more often than you'd care to admit.

I think ND is rightly ever so slightly favored, but don't be surprised if this is a 13-12 kind of a game, with one team staring down a FG for the win at the end of regulation.

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #7 on: January 03, 2025, 05:32:42 PM »
In four years they've had 13 (14 if they don't win the NC) losses but 10 (11) were to teams that finished in the top-10.  Obviously everybody wants to win those games but the teams that finish in the top-10 don't lose much and since 2021 they haven't lost to a team that finished outside the top-10. 
Yeah, I've always hated the "well they have trouble beating top-10 teams!" as a criticism of a program.

MOST schools have trouble beating top-10 teams. That's because top-10 teams are usually pretty effin' good!

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #8 on: January 03, 2025, 09:15:13 PM »
Idk call me crazy but Franklin has been there what 11-12 seasons and has how many wins over Michigan or Ohio State combined? Two? Maybe three?

Big Game James beats up on patsies and then gets his shit pushed in whenever he faces an equal or better team.

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #9 on: January 03, 2025, 10:22:10 PM »
well, better teams

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #10 on: January 03, 2025, 10:30:36 PM »

In four years they've had 13 (14 if they don't win the NC) losses but 10 (11) were to teams that finished in the top-10.  Obviously everybody wants to win those games but the teams that finish in the top-10 don't lose much and since 2021 they haven't lost to a team that finished outside the top-10. 
How many have they played
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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #11 on: January 04, 2025, 02:31:03 PM »
Carson Beck went from being a massive disappointment to being why Georgia lost
I disagree with the latter point, and think his poor performance relatively is due to losing two pass catchers of note in particular, and playing a tougher slate.

I think Stockton played "about as well" as Beck would have, I did think Gunner was slow to get rid of the ball often as not.  UGA had more total yards and a lot fewer rushing yards, you don't often win running for 66 yards in 29 attempts.  Two turnovers to naught and a kick off return for 6, few teams overcome that.

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #12 on: January 04, 2025, 03:27:32 PM »
I disagree with the latter point, and think his poor performance relatively is due to losing two pass catchers of note in particular, and playing a tougher slate.

I think Stockton played "about as well" as Beck would have, I did think Gunner was slow to get rid of the ball often as not.  UGA had more total yards and a lot fewer rushing yards, you don't often win running for 66 yards in 29 attempts.  Two turnovers to naught and a kick off return for 6, few teams overcome that.
I just saw a bunch of people saying ND "beat Georgia's backup QB", after wondering what was wrong with Beck for the 2nd half of the season

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Re: Orange: #6 Penn State (13-2) vs. #7 Notre Dame (13-1)
« Reply #13 on: January 04, 2025, 03:33:27 PM »
I don't think Gunner is why UGA lost, at all.

 

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