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Topic: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...

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longhorn320

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #42 on: March 15, 2021, 02:34:26 PM »
I mean look at the GPS navigation systems? If that isn't meticulously updated, it tries to send you down exit ramps that no longer exist, through construction closures, sometimes it thinks that there is a road where one isn't, and on and on and on.

Are people still paying attention? Will they be held accountable if they strike a pedestrian? Or a construction worker? Or a traffic cop?
I think we should go back to riding horses
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #43 on: March 15, 2021, 02:39:08 PM »
Why are we allergic to high-speed rail?
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #44 on: March 15, 2021, 02:44:12 PM »
It's very expensive to build, expensive to operate, and not very useful over longer distances.  The French TGV operates only with massive subsidies, and government paid to build it.  We also in the US lack in intracity infrastructure to make it more attractive in most cases.  Uber is changing that.

I think autonomous EVs is going to make HSR obsolete, we may be glad we didn't build it.

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« Reply #45 on: March 15, 2021, 02:44:28 PM »
California isn't

got some money, just never built it
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #46 on: March 15, 2021, 02:46:52 PM »
so is the reason we take the fun in driving away from humans based on safety

and if so why not planes and trains

why not doctors in the operating room
With planes, we're doing so, more and more. I believe we're at the point where autopilot can handle pretty much takeoff-to-landing operations. Right now the main job of the pilot is to make sure the autopilot is ok lol...

Why are we allergic to high-speed rail?
Economics.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #47 on: March 15, 2021, 02:53:28 PM »
California wasn't a great guinea pig for it, due to their building requirements concerning earthquakes.  Maybe it's a case study in what's the most expensive possible outcome could be.  

Regional loops with connections between each would be nice.  
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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #48 on: March 15, 2021, 02:55:40 PM »
Even our little Cessna 172 had a nice autopilot.  You could set course using a VOR signal, a radio signal from a source, and altitude, and let'er rip.

One guy did this a while back and fell asleep and woke up out over the Gulf of Mexico without enough fuel to make land (not in our plane).

One company is working on electric taxiing, they use a small generator to provide the electricity and only fire up the jet engines when nearly ready to take off.

Jet engines are not very efficient at low speed.

Close to 90% of the thrust comes from uncombusted air in the engines.  The combustion is used to drive the "propellers", the turbine, that sucks outside air in and squirts it out the back.  Turbofan engines versus earlier turbojet engines, high bypass ratios.


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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #49 on: March 15, 2021, 02:56:46 PM »
California wasn't a great guinea pig for it, due to their building requirements concerning earthquakes.  Maybe it's a case study in what's the most expensive possible outcome could be. 

Regional loops with connections between each would be nice. 
The only place it can work is the ACELA corridor in the NE US.  This is known.  The lines are terribly expensive even without earthquakes, see France.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #50 on: March 15, 2021, 03:00:24 PM »
An East Coast line could be cool. One from Boston down to DC, or whatever. 

Of course there are multiple AmTrak lines already running similar routes. 

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« Reply #51 on: March 15, 2021, 03:02:12 PM »
I think we should go back to riding horses

Horses genetically uplifted to be autonomous, with speeds topping out at 88 miles per hour? 

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #52 on: March 15, 2021, 03:07:18 PM »
ACELA runs now at speeds up to 110 mph, and it's popular and makes money.  Making it into a HSR line would be cost prohibitive, but they are looking at making some incremental improvements.  High speed is not that needed because distances are fairly short.

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #53 on: March 15, 2021, 03:12:30 PM »
I mean look at the GPS navigation systems? If that isn't meticulously updated, it tries to send you down exit ramps that no longer exist, through construction closures, sometimes it thinks that there is a road where one isn't, and on and on and on.

Are people still paying attention? Will they be held accountable if they strike a pedestrian? Or a construction worker? Or a traffic cop?
Ehhh, those GPS systems are really old tech at this point. My phone does a better job navigating around a most of that.

At some point, mapping and equipment in the car will be able to tell a lot about the surroundings. I’ve driven in cars that, when on cruise control, will slow because of a car several hundred feet away. They can read lane line for miles and miles. I assume at some point that will be able to spot and person and will drive safer than most people.

(It’s not gonna hit a tipping point until the tech is so good that the risk is low enough that the number of lawsuits is something they can withstand. Or they’ll leave just enough user control that blame can be put on the driver)

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #54 on: March 15, 2021, 03:15:30 PM »
Eh. Once you get too many lawsuits from those who "give themselves over" and get hurt, you'll have issues.

This is one of those all or nothing things...
Yeah, you’ll have to hit the point where the system is good enough you’re actually driving down fatalities. And once that number is small enough, they’ll just take it. 

until then, leave enough driver control that liability can be shifted, throw in some warnings, let the process move slowly, 

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Re: Major changes in our lives over the next decade ...
« Reply #55 on: March 15, 2021, 03:20:21 PM »
Why are we allergic to high-speed rail?
So, I looked into this for our upcoming trip to Europe. Amsterdam to Munich by rail costs $110. Amsterdam to Munich by air costs $120.

Rail takes 10 hours. Air takes 1.5.
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