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Topic: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out

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SFBadger96

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Re: OT-Catch all thread - Personal attacks will result in a time out
« Reply #43260 on: April 03, 2025, 02:35:07 PM »
Not necessarily.  Sometimes it's just people turning up to vote, who are not on the fence, they're just not motivated, until a certain catalyst pushes them away from inactivity.
Geez, that's literally one of the things I said:


There is a band of voters who change their votes, or whether they vote, depending on their current experiences. If there weren't, we wouldn't have changes in who wins the presidency and Congress. Those are the voters this may affect.

In any case, on to the tariffs...

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« Reply #43261 on: April 03, 2025, 03:29:14 PM »
Geez, that's literally one of the things I said:


In any case, on to the tariffs...

Your phrasing didn't really leave your meaning clear, your later emphasis helped, now I get it.

I don't expect a bunch of people angry about long lines at the VA or social security office or whatever, to show up and rock the voting booths, 4 years from now.  As has been noted, everyone already complains about that stuff.


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« Reply #43262 on: April 03, 2025, 03:30:34 PM »
My son does not use VA services even though he can.

Because? It sucks.

I'm thankful he has a choice because lots of people don't.
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« Reply #43263 on: April 03, 2025, 03:32:18 PM »
The markets are taking a beating from people panicking. 

Now is the time to buy.

Thank me later (like after Covid hit, among other times).
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« Reply #43264 on: April 03, 2025, 04:08:18 PM »
Geez, that's literally one of the things I said:
I actually caught that too.  When I read @utee94 's comment I thought I remembered you saying something about voter participation then I went back and reread it and there it was.  

The margins are quite thin and, as we've discussed on here previously, most of the vote chasing has shifted from "chasing the middle voter" as was done 20+ years ago to trying to engage non-voters who already agree with you ideologically.  

Some of that, I think, will always have a bit of a pendulum effect.  Part of the reason that the President's party almost always loses seats in the mid-terms is that the people who are ideologically in the anti-President party are more motivated by all the things that they perceive going wrong.  

History of this since WWII:


Republicans currently control the HoR by a razor-thin 220-215 margin so it would be shocking if Democrats fail to take over in 2026.   On average since WWII, the President's party has lost about 26 HoR seats in the mid-term.  

The Senate election in 2026 is probably more interesting.  In that chamber the Republicans hold a 53-47 advantage (effectively, two of the "d" are nominally independent but the caucus with the Democrats).  

Republicans have more seats to defend (22 vs 13) but most seats on both sides are in States that lean fairly heavily toward the incumbent party.  The exceptions (and thus the likely battleground races in 2026) are:
  • New Mexico is D+3 but incumbent Democrat Ben Ray Lujan is considered safe.  
  • Virginia is D+3 but incumbent Democrat Mark Warner is considered safe.  
  • Maine is D+2 and incumbent Republican Susan Collins is a slight favorite.  
  • Minnesota is D+1 and incumbent Democrat Tina Smith is retiring.  
  • New Hampshire is D+1 and incumbent Democrat Jeanne Shaheen is retiring.  
  • Michigan is R+1 and incumbent Democrat Gary Peters is retiring.  
  • Florida is R+3 but incumbent Republican Ashley Moody is considered safe.  
  • Georgia is R+2 and incumbent Democrat Jon Ossoff is a toss-up.  
  • North Carolina is R+3 and incumbent Republican Thom Tillis is a slight favorite (depending on who you ask, some say toss-up).  

This is a rather difficult map for the Democrats.  I listed nine potentially contestable races and there are six Democratic seats (NM, VA, MN, NH, MI, GA) and only three Republican seats (ME, FL, NC).  Even if Democrats successfully defend their six contestable seats AND pick up all three contestable Republican seats that would only force JD Vance to spend more time in the Capitol as the deciding vote to give the Republicans a 51-50 advantage in the Senate for two years.  

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« Reply #43265 on: April 03, 2025, 05:20:57 PM »
The markets are taking a beating from people panicking.

Now is the time to buy.

Thank me later (like after Covid hit, among other times).
The overly dramatic headlines I've seen fly in from the media aren't helping things.  It's almost like they WANT to fan the flames of a completely unnecessary panic...

Anyway I invest about the same amount in the market every month.  When the stocks are down, I'm just buying more of them.

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« Reply #43266 on: April 03, 2025, 05:21:45 PM »
The overly dramatic headlines I've seen fly in from the media aren't helping things.  It's almost like they WANT to fan the flames of a completely unnecessary panic...
Bingo.  
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« Reply #43267 on: April 03, 2025, 05:29:54 PM »
The overly dramatic headlines I've seen fly in from the media aren't helping things.  It's almost like they WANT to fan the flames of a completely unnecessary panic...

Anyway I invest about the same amount in the market every month.  When the stocks are down, I'm just buying more of them.
It is called dollar cost averaging. 

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« Reply #43268 on: April 03, 2025, 05:37:25 PM »
The overly dramatic headlines I've seen fly in from the media aren't helping things.  It's almost like they WANT to fan the flames of a completely unnecessary panic...

People always ascribe extra intention to those sort of things.

Many, but not all headlines exist to get you to read the thing/capture your attention. And the beauty is that our brains best remember stuff that creates the strongest response. (Plus, in the end, they are capitalistic businesses, and their income is your readership)

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« Reply #43269 on: April 03, 2025, 05:45:18 PM »
People always ascribe extra intention to those sort of things.

Many, but not all headlines exist to get you to read the thing/capture your attention. And the beauty is that our brains best remember stuff that creates the strongest response. (Plus, in the end, they are capitalistic businesses, and their income is your readership)
People are stupid. I hate people.

I just transferred $100K into the market today to take advantage of the stupid.
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« Reply #43270 on: April 03, 2025, 05:55:00 PM »
People always ascribe extra intention to those sort of things.

I don't think there's much of an argument at this point for the bulk of legacy media outlets that they aren't trying to paint you-know-who as the apocalypse, killer of markets, and bringer of doom. 

Though your point stands about them generating clicks and views.  Just that the two things aren't mutually exclusive and either one is a bonus on top of the other.

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« Reply #43271 on: April 03, 2025, 06:00:49 PM »
People are stupid. I hate people.

I just transferred $100K into the market today to take advantage of the stupid.
And I need an extra $100K sitting around that wasn’t already invested.

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« Reply #43272 on: April 03, 2025, 06:15:53 PM »
And I need an extra $100K sitting around that wasn’t already invested.
That's just his junk drawer money.  When he's really serious he'll pull out his mattress money.

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« Reply #43273 on: April 03, 2025, 06:20:39 PM »
That's just his junk drawer money.  When he's really serious he'll pull out his mattress money.
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