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bayareabadger

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« Reply #196 on: November 04, 2020, 02:15:46 PM »
Let's be honest- Michigan under Bo in the 70s and 80s had some dominant runs where he was losing 1-2 games a year max- some years even going undefeated when you factor in ties- but it started to tail off in the late 80s and early 90s. Gary Moeller was losing 3-4 games a year, and if he was winning 11 or 12 every year, he probably wouldn't have been fired for his public drunken outburst.

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Only way they'll ever come back is if they get a coach that can go anywhere in the country and load up with elite players. Like Urban Meyer can. Like Nick Saban can. RichRod couldn't. Hoke couldn't. Harbaugh can't.
That part of the Bo era is interesting because it woulda been a dang thing if it happened nowadays. 
Year 1 Surprise upset to ruin things for OSU
Year 2 Undefeated until visiting OSU, lose (not too much harm)
Year 3 Undefeated all the way to the Rose Bowl, miss a chance to at worst end up at No. 2 because of a 1-point upset to 8-3 Stanford (who lost to SJ State)
Year 4 Undefeated to OSU, then lose to OSU by 3 at the end of the season 
Year 5 Undefeated to OSU, tie No. 1 OSU to miss the Rose Bowl
Year 6 Undefeated to OSU, then lose to OSU by 2 to miss the Rose Bowl
Year 7 Undefeated to OSU with ties to six loss Baylor, four-loss Stanford, lose to No. 1 OSU then lost the bowl
Year 8 Start 8-0, lose at 5-6 Purdue, beat OSU, lose bowl
Year 9 Start 6-0, lose to unranked Minnesota at No. 1 team, beat OSU and miss a chance to claim a national title with a low-scoring bowl loss. 
Year 10 Have the decency to lose to a good (three loss) MSU team after only 4-0. Win out until the bowl game, where they lose again.
Year 11 Lose four games, three to close the season

I feel like modern fans would take issue with parts of this path.

As for getting elite players from anywhere, the issue is the same. Folks can go to place where its easier, so why wouldn't they?

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« Reply #197 on: November 04, 2020, 02:23:36 PM »
Why should I in California have to "come together" on what students in Arizona are eating for their school lunch?

This should be a local issue.
Are you saying what they're fed or why they're fed at all? The first makes sense to me, the second is sort of circular and logical in its way. 

(It also leads to another rabbit hole which is getting calories into kids in a not-unhealthy way, which I'm told is like a mountianous Rubik's Cube or parenting)

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« Reply #198 on: November 04, 2020, 02:27:21 PM »
Are you saying what they're fed or why they're fed at all? The first makes sense to me, the second is sort of circular and logical in its way.

(It also leads to another rabbit hole which is getting calories into kids in a not-unhealthy way, which I'm told is like a mountianous Rubik's Cube or parenting)
Primarily the "what they're fed" question. 

I'm just questioning why it is a political issue, and if it's a political issue, why it's not an issue at the state or school district rather than the federal level.

It's not my job from Mission Viejo CA to tell OAM and his students in AZ what's on the menu. 

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« Reply #199 on: November 04, 2020, 02:29:10 PM »
As for getting elite players from anywhere, the issue is the same. Folks can go to place where its easier, so why wouldn't they?
Huh?

At OSU Urban and now Day (who was handed the keys to a Ferrari) - load up on 5*’s every year from Cali, TX, Florida, Washington, Georgia, NV, DMV, PA - all over the country.

Urban would’ve done the same thing at Michigan and gotten 5*’s from everywhere and anywhere. 

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« Reply #200 on: November 04, 2020, 02:29:44 PM »
Primarily the "what they're fed" question.

I'm just questioning why it is a political issue, and if it's a political issue, why it's not an issue at the state or school district rather than the federal level.

It's not my job from Mission Viejo CA to tell OAM and his students in AZ what's on the menu.
I assume its because it's federal funds? Which in itself seems fine, but if they wanna give local folks control over that, have at?

(I also have no idea if you in Mission Viejo actually affect it at all, but that's for another time)

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« Reply #201 on: November 04, 2020, 02:35:11 PM »
I assume its because it's federal funds? Which in itself seems fine, but if they wanna give local folks control over that, have at?

(I also have no idea if you in Mission Viejo actually affect it at all, but that's for another time)
I'm going to stop responding on this topic... I shouldn't have taken the political bait. 

But the idea is that "we" should come together on this, which I understood to mean politically. And as a Mission Viejo voter, obviously who I elect might have an effect on the decision, so therefore I technically have an effect on the decision, right? 

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« Reply #202 on: November 04, 2020, 02:36:13 PM »
Huh?

At OSU Urban and now Day (who was handed the keys to a Ferrari) - load up on 5*’s every year from Cali, TX, Florida, Washington, Georgia, NV, DMV, PA - all over the country.

Urban would’ve done the same thing at Michigan and gotten 5*’s from everywhere and anywhere.
Sure. 

But if you can go to OSU (or Bama) where it's easier to some degree to get those players (200 miles south matters to a degree) and you have more talent nearby, why wouldn't you just go there? OSU has more talent nearby, better geography, etc. 

If they can do it anywhere, why do it somewhere harder when easier options exist?

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« Reply #203 on: November 04, 2020, 02:37:55 PM »
I'm going to stop responding on this topic... I shouldn't have taken the political bait.

But the idea is that "we" should come together on this, which I understood to mean politically. And as a Mission Viejo voter, obviously who I elect might have an effect on the decision, so therefore I technically have an effect on the decision, right?
I suppose, in some ways, the argument seems like a house of cards where it started (pretzels and such). Anyway, didn't mean to pull you in. Natural curiosity got the best of me. 

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« Reply #204 on: November 04, 2020, 02:51:31 PM »
Just back from a walk, a quite large pin oak fell over at some point, I guess the hurricane.  It was likely 80-90 years old, took two other smaller trees with it.  Diameter at the base was 3-4 feet.

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« Reply #205 on: November 04, 2020, 04:04:37 PM »
My mother always packed a lunch for us. Is that still an option, or are people just too damn lazy?
I packed lunches for my kids 4 days/week, and let them buy lunch once per week on the day of their choice, after looking at the weekly menu.  They usually chose Friday, which was Pizza day (yes, rectangular school cafeteria still exists and is unchanged from 35 years ago, as far as I can tell).

Nowadays at ages 11 and 13 they pack their own lunches.  I don't miss the hurried morning rush, but I do miss the feeling of taking care of them that I always got, packing their lunches for them and sending them on their way.

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« Reply #206 on: November 04, 2020, 04:10:13 PM »
Sure.

But if you can go to OSU (or Bama) where it's easier to some degree to get those players (200 miles south matters to a degree) and you have more talent nearby, why wouldn't you just go there? OSU has more talent nearby, better geography, etc.

If they can do it anywhere, why do it somewhere harder when easier options exist?
It's not really that much easier to get those kind of nationally elite players at OSU or even Bama. It's probably a wash at best. In fact, it might even be easier at Michigan with everything they have to offer and it's proximity to a major international airport.

The key is building it. If you build it, they will come. Alabama was a mediocre for much of the 90s save a couple of years here and there, and for virtually all of the 2000s they were a dumpster fire until 2008 when Saban went 12-2 in Year 2. Been all uphill since then. Ohio State never recruited this insane nationally before Urban got there and took it to a completely next level. Day is just continuing that.

The huge difference is the local talent. Ohio produces way more football talent than Michigan, and there is no other program to have to share the instate talent with. Imagine if MSU didn't exist. Charles Rogers, Malcom McDowell, TJ Duckett, Andre Rison, William Gholston, Dion Sims, Devante Dobbs, etc., etc., - these were all big-time recruits from Michigan that wouldn't have had any other option to stay home. And Alabama produces higher amount of players per capita, but they are right by Georgia- a huge talent producing state- and right by Mississippi & Louisiana- probably the two highest talent producing states per capita. And then there is Florida, but they are so far away from South Florida- where the vast majority of the elite talent in the state of Florida is- that it is basically another world. They weren't getting elite kids from South Florida until they started winning titles. Also helps that Miami and FSU have really stunk, and Florida took a nose dive with Meyer leaving.

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« Reply #207 on: November 04, 2020, 05:22:12 PM »
For kindergarten last year I packed my twins' lunch but due to some CIVID relief funds they got this year the schools are providing free cafeteria food to ALL students regardless of income level so yeah, I'm taking advantage of that while it lasts.
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« Reply #208 on: November 05, 2020, 07:35:59 AM »
@OrangeAfroMan 






Arizona is an immoral shithole that relies on being out west and no one truly giving a damn.
That's because California moved there.

They f'd up their own state, and now they are moving to others, like locusts.

U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

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« Reply #209 on: November 05, 2020, 08:23:12 AM »
It's not really that much easier to get those kind of nationally elite players at OSU or even Bama. It's probably a wash at best. In fact, it might even be easier at Michigan with everything they have to offer and it's proximity to a major international airport.

The key is building it. If you build it, they will come. Alabama was a mediocre for much of the 90s save a couple of years here and there, and for virtually all of the 2000s they were a dumpster fire until 2008 when Saban went 12-2 in Year 2. Been all uphill since then. Ohio State never recruited this insane nationally before Urban got there and took it to a completely next level. Day is just continuing that.

The huge difference is the local talent. Ohio produces way more football talent than Michigan, and there is no other program to have to share the instate talent with. Imagine if MSU didn't exist. Charles Rogers, Malcom McDowell, TJ Duckett, Andre Rison, William Gholston, Dion Sims, Devante Dobbs, etc., etc., - these were all big-time recruits from Michigan that wouldn't have had any other option to stay home. And Alabama produces higher amount of players per capita, but they are right by Georgia- a huge talent producing state- and right by Mississippi & Louisiana- probably the two highest talent producing states per capita. And then there is Florida, but they are so far away from South Florida- where the vast majority of the elite talent in the state of Florida is- that it is basically another world. They weren't getting elite kids from South Florida until they started winning titles. Also helps that Miami and FSU have really stunk, and Florida took a nose dive with Meyer leaving.
I mean, Bama is just closer to more of that "national" talent, and it's warmer. OSU is a more interesting case. But as you said, if you're good enough to get all the national kids, might as well go somewhere that has a good local crop. As you said, Michigan has to share a state, two of the closest by schools who can slip across the border are helmets, and there's no talent base to the north. 

Maybe you find the guy that wants to go, but he'll have options.

 

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