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Cincydawg

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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23492 on: May 11, 2023, 02:16:59 PM »
Some people can be offensive without having any self awareness of it.  Then they claim innocence.

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« Reply #23493 on: May 11, 2023, 02:58:15 PM »

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« Reply #23494 on: May 11, 2023, 03:14:15 PM »
If I wanted to offend them and be an actual asshole, I have an avalanche of content for that.  But that's not close to what happened here.
And sorry if I don't agree that playing along with a delusion shows maturity.  Believers aren't 6 year-olds believing in Santa, they're 60 year olds voting in congress.  Fuck that noise.

And that is where you miss the crticism of the idea and not necessarily the person.  YES, believing in an invisible man in the sky that judges what you do and is especially concerned with what you do when you're naked is silly for any adult to believe.  Just because 5 billion people believe it doesn't make it any less silly.
I'm not sure how criticizing a silly idea/belief is being an asshole.  But since I'm outnumbered, I must be wrong.  Right?
It isn't necessary to call religion a delusion nor to call the religious delusional nor to refer to religion as silly to get your point across, that is the A-hole part. 

I've made this point before but I want to make it again.  Sometimes @OrangeAfroMan , I honestly suspect that you aren't really the leftist atheist that you appear to be because your posts are so abrasive that they are MUCH more likely to alienate and offend than they are to convince and persuade. Sometimes you end up sounding like a right-wing religious parody of yourself.  

I abandoned that theory though because I noticed that this isn't limited to politics and religion, it is in YOUR personality.  There are issues on which you and I generally agree.  The status of G5's comes immediately to mind.  Whenever we debate that on here, you and I are pretty much the extremists in the G5's are crap camp.  You do the same thing there.  Your posts are abrasive and tend to alienate and offend rather than convincing and persuading. 

I mean this in the most constructive way possible:
If you would alter your style, you'd convince and persuade a lot more people.  Seriously, when you and I agree, I want you to not post because I don't want you alienating people.  When you and I disagree, I want you to post because you'll push people to my side every time you hit "Post".  That isn't about politics or religion or G5's, it is about style. 

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« Reply #23495 on: May 11, 2023, 03:19:46 PM »
Pretending religion doesn't do harm is incorrect.  I'll just leave it at that.
I said above that people have used religion to justify terrible things but that religion has also been used to justify good things.  I think that has more to do with people doing what they want and finding a way to utilize religion to support their preconceived idea.  

That said, chew on this:
The abolitionist movement in the US was born out of the Christian religion.  Abolitionists believed that blacks were people created in gods image just like whites and thus that enslaving them was morally wrong.  Similarly, the civil rights movement was largely born out of the same theology.  

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« Reply #23496 on: May 11, 2023, 06:07:14 PM »
I choose not to really be the bold part here.  I am, occassionally, elsewhere. 
But I know, I know....better to use hushed tones in the holy echo chamber.
You could choose to be a bigger jerk, but opt to only be somewhat of a jerk. 

And yes, you're not the only jerk here, but in terms of the most self-starting-ly shrill and unpleasant, you're pretty close to the top. 

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« Reply #23497 on: May 11, 2023, 07:10:37 PM »
pretty close

as stated previously, atheists have done unspeakable acts

it's not belief or religion or lack of belief that make people good or bad, intelligent or ignorant 
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« Reply #23498 on: May 11, 2023, 08:51:08 PM »
As someone that doesn't identify with either tribe, all I can say is, I see no difference between them, when it comes to stuff like this.
Ed Zachery, the middle class gets the shit sammich from both sides of the Isle
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« Reply #23499 on: May 11, 2023, 09:05:55 PM »
I loathe smoking with the white-hot passion of a billion burning suns. Maybe you tried smoking the wrong stuff,hell Willie Nelson is 90 and hasn't had a cigarette in decades and you can't smack the the smile off of his face. 

But I'm good with the drinking bit. That's what the Devil wants you to think send all that demon alcohol up this way. We'll make sure no one gets hurt in the elimination process. I'm always willing to take one for the team
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« Reply #23500 on: May 11, 2023, 09:09:02 PM »
Echo chamber



He's just jealous the voices talk to you
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« Reply #23501 on: May 11, 2023, 09:12:37 PM »
It isn't necessary to call religion a delusion nor to call the religious delusional nor to refer to religion as silly to get your point across, that is the A-hole part. 

I've made this point before but I want to make it again.  Sometimes @OrangeAfroMan , I honestly suspect that you aren't really the leftist atheist that you appear to be because your posts are so abrasive that they are MUCH more likely to alienate and offend than they are to convince and persuade. Sometimes you end up sounding like a right-wing religious parody of yourself. 

I abandoned that theory though because I noticed that this isn't limited to politics and religion, it is in YOUR personality.  There are issues on which you and I generally agree.  The status of G5's comes immediately to mind.  Whenever we debate that on here, you and I are pretty much the extremists in the G5's are crap camp.  You do the same thing there.  Your posts are abrasive and tend to alienate and offend rather than convincing and persuading. 

I mean this in the most constructive way possible:
If you would alter your style, you'd convince and persuade a lot more people.  Seriously, when you and I agree, I want you to not post because I don't want you alienating people.  When you and I disagree, I want you to post because you'll push people to my side every time you hit "Post".  That isn't about politics or religion or G5's, it is about style. 
I appreciate your post.
But here's the problem with religion......there is no persuading them.  My style isn't keeping them believers, no matter how abrasive.  Believers will be prudent and sane on EVERYTHING else, but religion gets a pass on those attributes.  I merely disagree with that.  No, one aspect of your life doesn't get a pass.  Religion/belief/whatever gets to play by all the same rules as everything else.  
But it's the abrasive atheist's fault that 5 billion people believe in something that TO THIS DAY has failed to provide any actual evidence of its claims.  

I agree with what you posted, but religion is different, and it's because believers treat it so.  It's not my doing.  
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« Reply #23502 on: May 11, 2023, 09:14:07 PM »
pretty close

as stated previously, atheists have done unspeakable acts

it's not belief or religion or lack of belief that make people good or bad, intelligent or ignorant
But no atheists have done bad things in the name of atheism.  That's nonsensical.

You need religion to get good people to do bad things.  
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« Reply #23503 on: May 11, 2023, 09:15:51 PM »
I said above that people have used religion to justify terrible things but that religion has also been used to justify good things.  I think that has more to do with people doing what they want and finding a way to utilize religion to support their preconceived idea. 

That said, chew on this:
The abolitionist movement in the US was born out of the Christian religion.  Abolitionists believed that blacks were people created in gods image just like whites and thus that enslaving them was morally wrong.  Similarly, the civil rights movement was largely born out of the same theology. 
Most of the good religion has produced is simply due to it being in power.  The church had all the money.  
Here's my thing:  every single positive thing religion has done could have been done without the god stuff.  It's unnecessary.  Why not just trim the fat?
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23504 on: May 11, 2023, 09:16:39 PM »
Echo chamber



Here?  On this board?  Is this a joke?!?
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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #23505 on: May 11, 2023, 09:16:47 PM »
atheists have done bad things w/o being good people?
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