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Re: In other news ...
« Reply #2324 on: February 02, 2021, 01:19:42 PM »
I did a Roth conversion years back before the market tanked, so I undid it, which is allowed.

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« Reply #2325 on: February 02, 2021, 01:22:46 PM »
You can. It's called a Roth Conversion.

2021 Form 5498 (irs.gov)

converting regular IRA to Roth IRA?

or is this something different?
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« Reply #2326 on: February 02, 2021, 01:23:43 PM »
If you file taxes as a single person, your Modified Adjusted Gross Income (MAGI) 
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« Reply #2327 on: February 02, 2021, 01:29:14 PM »
converting regular IRA to Roth IRA?

or is this something different?
I have a traditional IRA (dummy account) that I contribute the $7K per year to. Then, my advisor transfers that money to the Roth. I then get form 5498, which essentially makes the contribution to be after tax.
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« Reply #2328 on: February 02, 2021, 01:45:19 PM »
Is that legal?I mean seems kind Mr Haneyish to me,NTTAWWT
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« Reply #2329 on: February 02, 2021, 01:48:07 PM »

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« Reply #2330 on: February 02, 2021, 01:50:31 PM »
Is that legal?I mean seems kind Mr Haneyish to me,NTTAWWT
Yep, it's legal.
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« Reply #2331 on: February 02, 2021, 02:00:37 PM »
one of the biggest errors people make is thinking that getting a raise throwing them into a higher tax bracket will cause them to take home less money then before so I understand your comment
May not have less take home pay, but could lose or have some deductions and credit reduce causing an increase in taxes.  Rare, but possible. 

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« Reply #2332 on: February 02, 2021, 02:12:45 PM »
Taxes will never again be as low as they are now.
But it doesn't matter if tax rates go up, but you are in a lower income bracket.

I can't contribute to a Roth, but even if I could I wouldn't because I am fairly certain the money I am saving by putting my money in my 401k and getting the tax deduction is worth more than the taxes it will cost me when I withdraw it in retirement. 

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« Reply #2333 on: February 02, 2021, 02:18:51 PM »
There are funds called "ETF" (exchange traded funds) or "Index Funds" which attempt rather than actively manage and "pick" stocks in the fund, try to match the broad-based sectors of an economy, or in the case of some of the big Index funds, try to match the S&P 500 index as a whole.

Generally they're very safe funds due to diversification, and also lower in fees than most of the actively-managed mutual funds. They're great for passive investors who don't know what they're doing--and possibly better than the returns of active investors who think they know what they're doing lol.

XLK is a fund which attempts to be a broad-based technology sector specific fund. So if you think technology is going to be a generally bull market over the next 17 years (duh!), it's probably a good sort of fund to look at. XLK of course is the stock ticker symbol for that fund.

CD also suggested a health-care sector ETF, which again is assuming that health care in general is going to be a bull market or at least a stable market as the baby boomers retire and become old folks. Probably pretty safe place, with upside.

Finally, he suggested a dividend ETF. Most people think that you make money in stocks by the price going up and lose it by the price going down. That's somewhat true in the "hot name" stocks, but a lot of giant companies reward their shareholders via dividends instead. The companies are large and stable and profitable, and instead of growth they use those profits to pay their owners [shareholders] a quarterly dividend. A dividend ETF will retain and reinvest those dividend payments, which is how your portfolio grows. This would be likely the safest of the three options, but with the least upside.

So you diversify your investment into growth (tech ETF), potential growth (health care ETF), and stability (dividend ETF).

Make sense?
be careful with ETFs as you can get regular or heavily leveraged

if you get heavily leveraged your gain or loss will be multiplied by at least 2

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« Reply #2334 on: February 02, 2021, 02:44:48 PM »
But it doesn't matter if tax rates go up, but you are in a lower income bracket.

I can't contribute to a Roth, but even if I could I wouldn't because I am fairly certain the money I am saving by putting my money in my 401k and getting the tax deduction is worth more than the taxes it will cost me when I withdraw it in retirement.

The reasoning I've heard for both is to just give yourself options for how to pull your money.  If you have a pension, 401K, and IRA, you can decide to pull from more from the 401K one year and more from IRA the next, depending on circumstances.

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« Reply #2335 on: February 02, 2021, 03:34:24 PM »
But it doesn't matter if tax rates go up, but you are in a lower income bracket.

I can't contribute to a Roth, but even if I could I wouldn't because I am fairly certain the money I am saving by putting my money in my 401k and getting the tax deduction is worth more than the taxes it will cost me when I withdraw it in retirement.
So I’m clear, by tax deduction, you mean an actual tax deduction, not just not paying taxes on the principal now, correct? (I’m but a humble goon who has taken the standard deduction to this point in life)

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« Reply #2336 on: February 02, 2021, 03:48:25 PM »
But it doesn't matter if tax rates go up, but you are in a lower income bracket.

I can't contribute to a Roth, but even if I could I wouldn't because I am fairly certain the money I am saving by putting my money in my 401k and getting the tax deduction is worth more than the taxes it will cost me when I withdraw it in retirement.
this is true for most

luckily I've put as much as possible into 401K for long enough that I may have the same income and be in the same tax bracket when I retire

so Roth for me now.  and I'll convert more to Roth upon retirement.  Then draw down the traditional IRA funds first before drawing the Roth funds
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« Reply #2337 on: February 02, 2021, 03:56:21 PM »
The more we go through this, the more I realize I’m not so knowledgeable as to the finer points of these tools. 

But I know I’m a hell of a saver and put money in long-term index funds, so at worst, I should do alright. 

 

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