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OrangeAfroMan

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If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« on: March 30, 2022, 04:37:58 PM »
Who would the national champions be if the pre-bowl/playoff #1 kept the crown?
2021 - Alabama
2020 - Alabama
2019 - LSU
2018 - Alabama
2017 - Clemson
2016 - Alabama
2015 - Clemson
2014 - Alabama
2013 - FSU
2012 - Alabama
2011 - LSU
2010 - Auburn
2009 - Alabama
2008 - Florida
2007 - Ohio St
2006 - Ohio St
2005 - USC
2004 - USC
2003 - USC
2002 - Miami
2001 - Miami
2000 - OU
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I started looking at this and most recently, it's pretty boring, with Bama and Clemson trading NC seasons - yawn.  But look at pre-2008:  3 little mini-dynasties.  An actual 3-peat.  
I'll go back further later to see if Miami loses out on many NCs in the 80s and if any of the blue-bloods benefits going back into the 70s.
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It's crazy to think the AP voted after bowls and the UPI didn't for a time.  
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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2022, 07:42:21 PM »
1999 - FSU
1998 - Tennessee
1997 - Michigan/Nebraska
1996 - FSU
1995 - Nebraska
1994 - Nebraska
1993 - FSU
1992 - Miami
1991 - Miami/Washington
1990 - Colorado/GT
1989 - Colorado
1988 - Notre Dame
1987 - OU
1986 - Miami
1985 - Penn St
1984 - BYU
1983 - Nebraska
1982 - Georgia
1981 - Clemson
1980 - Georgia
So looking at these 20 years, FSU and CU get an extra nattie while Miami loses a couple.  It's interesting that in the 80s, all the same teams basically win it, just in different seasons.  No big upset for Penn State in 86, but they finished the regular season first in 85.  That takes OU's in 85, but they finished first in 87. 
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And there's just no getting around BYU in 84.  A half-dozen things could have individually happened to avoid it, but none of them happened.
If Nebraska had beaten OU.
If Washington had won the Pac-10.
If Florida wasn't on probation.
If OU had beaten Washington in the OB.
If OK State had beaten OU and won the OB.
If South Carolina had beaten sub-.500 Navy.
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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2022, 07:54:25 PM »
saying a bowl game is just an exhibition sounds like a losers excuse

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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2022, 08:04:21 PM »
Tracking the '84 season week to week is fascinating.  You could add several other scenarios to that list.  Until the year two loss LSU won the BCS crown, it was the most infamous season for teams that climbed the mountain to Nos. 1 or 2 in the polls only to keep gagging up a game.

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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2022, 09:40:43 PM »
saying a bowl game is just an exhibition sounds like a losers excuse


It either counts or it doesn't, and for a long while, it didn't.
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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2022, 10:13:14 PM »
exhibitions aren't necessarily silly
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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2022, 11:17:38 PM »
exhibitions aren't necessarily silly
See:  Rocky IV
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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2022, 07:34:04 AM »
I wouldn't use the term "silly", I'd just say they were "primarily exhibitions not considered in the AP final poll".


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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2022, 09:08:27 AM »
Bowls were created to be exhibitions.  An opportunity for the sponsors to advertise, a reward to the team for a good season, and a chance for the fans to maybe travel to a nice holiday destination.

This was the view until the mid 60s, and at that point some sentiment changed and decided they should count into the polls.  But the fact that the coaches' poll and the AP didn't fully switch until the early 70s, demonstrates that even then, sentiment was divided on how important the postseason was.

To this day, many coaches and teams view the bowls as meaningless exhibitions.  Not the BCS/CFP, but pretty much any other bowl.  Uness he was playing for the NC, Mack Brown cared very little about the bowl game he was in.  He used the majority of the extra practice working on next season, and only spent a couple of days installing his gameplan for the current opponent.  Lots of coaches view them that way still, and obviously the players care less and less about them each year, as the number of opt-outs skyrockets.


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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2022, 09:22:23 AM »
Yeah, opt outs are becoming expected of draftable players.  I don't blame them.

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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2022, 07:34:05 PM »
It'd be silly to get hurt in an exhibition.
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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2022, 07:36:32 PM »
So are ooc games exhibitions also?
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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2022, 09:06:13 PM »
So are ooc games exhibitions also?

No, they are regular season games.  And since they're often early in the season, they have a great deal to do with a team's trajectory for that season.

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Re: If bowls remained silly exhibitions...
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2022, 09:20:47 PM »
So are ooc games exhibitions also?
Do teams take a month off before each OOC game?  Do they have activities for a week leading up to the game?  Do they get a bunch of swag?  Are patches swen onto their jerseys to commemorate the big OOC game vs Toledo?  

Ugh.
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