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TyphonInc

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #252 on: August 02, 2017, 03:57:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on August 02, 2017, 02:53:40 PM
No need to rush anything.  This has been a great distraction during the slow summer, and may go on into the season. 
Not rushing anything, just calling a spade a spade. We as a collective board so far are unanimous in our rankings of these 3. We don't have dawdle on the obvious. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #253 on: August 02, 2017, 11:39:06 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on August 02, 2017, 11:43:05 AM
right. We're all married..

not all of us 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #254 on: August 03, 2017, 08:22:01 AM »
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #255 on: August 03, 2017, 08:42:55 AM »
Alright, I'll be the one to throw a monkey wrench into the gears.

Bama
WV
Sparty
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #256 on: August 03, 2017, 09:48:53 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on August 03, 2017, 08:42:55 AM
Alright, I'll be the one to throw a monkey wrench into the gears.

Bama
WV
Sparty

In what universe is WVU a helmet school?

Alabama
Michigan State



West Virginia
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #257 on: August 03, 2017, 10:07:12 AM »
The same universe that Sparty is a helmet school?
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #258 on: August 03, 2017, 10:54:42 AM »
By my definition, that universe would be one where WVU has decent prospects and Memphis has the same exact prospects, and WVU gets ranked 20th preseason and Memphis gets "Others receiving votes".
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #259 on: August 03, 2017, 10:55:03 AM »
MSU would get ranked 16th, and Alabama would get ranked 8th.

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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #260 on: August 03, 2017, 01:05:01 PM »
Bama
MSU
WVU
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #261 on: August 03, 2017, 02:04:36 PM »
Alabama
Michigan State
West Virginia

There's no contest between Bama and Sparty/WVU, but at least it's close between the last two.  Over the past 15-ish years, MSU and WVU have been pretty much neck-and-neck, but Sparty's glory years in the 60s trump anything the Mountaineers have ever done.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #262 on: August 03, 2017, 02:30:33 PM »
Quote from: Geolion91 on August 03, 2017, 09:48:53 AM
In what universe is WVU a helmet school?

Alabama
Michigan State



West Virginia

Depending on your age and background WVU over Michigan St as far as helmet perception isn't really a big reach.  In my lifetime WVU has been more consistently successful than MSU. Michigan St's heyday in the 50s and 60s was before my time. Now, some may argue MSU has been in a tougher conference playing tougher schedules and that argument may have merit but the fact is people my age have seen WVU win more often and be ranked more often than Michigan St.

I gave MSU the edge because of what they have accomplished since 2008 and the fact that WVU lost some of its luster playing Big 12 competition but it was close in my mind.

Between MSU's terrific run that ended in '66 and '08 there were about 40 years of "meh" seasons.  And, again, like I said in the WVU/Iowa comparison, this isn't about if WVU is helmet. They categorically aren't. It's about if they are more helmet than MSU.  Ten years ago I would have had WVU above them. Ten years from now I may again.
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #263 on: August 03, 2017, 02:45:56 PM »
Quote from: Geolion91 on August 03, 2017, 09:48:53 AM
In what universe is WVU a helmet school?

Alabama
Michigan State



West Virginia

In no universe.  Penn State leads the series 48–9–2.  There's no possible way a school that is flat out dominated by any other can be considered one. 
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #264 on: August 03, 2017, 03:37:11 PM »
Quote from: PSUinNC on August 03, 2017, 02:45:56 PM
In no universe.  Penn State leads the series 48–9–2.  There's no possible way a school that is flat out dominated by any other can be considered one. 

latest meeting was 1992

next meeting 2023
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Re: Helmet Team Ranking Exercise
« Reply #265 on: August 03, 2017, 04:03:33 PM »
Quote from: Kris61 on August 03, 2017, 02:30:33 PM
Depending on your age and background WVU over Michigan St as far as helmet perception isn't really a big reach.  In my lifetime WVU has been more consistently successful than MSU. Michigan St's heyday in the 50s and 60s was before my time. Now, some may argue MSU has been in a tougher conference playing tougher schedules and that argument may have merit but the fact is people my age have seen WVU win more often and be ranked more often than Michigan St.

I gave MSU the edge because of what they have accomplished since 2008 and the fact that WVU lost some of its luster playing Big 12 competition but it was close in my mind.

Between MSU's terrific run that ended in '66 and '08 there were about 40 years of "meh" seasons.  And, again, like I said in the WVU/Iowa comparison, this isn't about if WVU is helmet. They categorically aren't. It's about if they are more helmet than MSU.  Ten years ago I would have had WVU above them. Ten years from now I may again.
Recency bias certainly matters once you get outside that top 10.
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