Response to various Anonymous Coward points:
You know I respect you and I'm happy and debating not mad and hateful, right?
Ok, just checking:
I get that anything less than "all-time" is "arbitrary". However, I believe that this point of yours is much more powerful against someone who cherry-picks a very specific group of years in order to say "My team is the best over the past __ years". I understand that 10-90 is "arbitrary" but it is definitely NOT cherry-picking. I'm letting you (or anyone else) select the number within a very wide range.
Your original statement dealt with "the team that is winning". I think that present tense "winning" is inappropriate when we are talking about 90+ years. Thus I think that it is misleading to say that "Michigan is winning the most league titles". They have won the most, but they are NOT currently winning the most. Currently that would be:
- Penn State over the past year
- Penn State and Michigan State over the past two years
- Penn State, Michigan State, and Ohio State over the past three years
- Michigan State over the past 4-5 years
- Michigan State and Wisconsin over the past 6-9 years
- Ohio State over the past 10-90 years
I respect you as a poster enough to not entirely stick my fingers in my ears and say "meh, you're a fan, this feels predictable." With that said, I commented a LONG time ago in the old version of this thread on the old board that it is interesting that for most fans the time-period that they find relevant is suspiciously convenient in reference to their team. The specific reference I used was that it seems:
- Most Florida fans seem to think the world started in 1990
- Michigan fans tend to see that and say "no, you have to go back to pre-1900 history:
- Ohio State fans tend to settle on a middle ground that acknowledges the very old history and gives it SOME weight while still having a "bonus" of some sort for recency.
For each of our teams, these positions are suspiciously convenient. You made an objective argument for including all history with no recency bias. A Florida fan can make an equally objective argument for ignoring everything that happened more than 27 years ago and an Ohio State fan can make an equally objective argument for using a middle-ground time-frame of something like 25, 50, or 75 years. It doesn't mean that all of us or any of us are being intentionally deceitful, it just means that we all tend to settle on positions that are good for our points.