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Topic: Fresno State (0-1) at #9 Michigan (1-0) Postgame

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #112 on: August 30, 2024, 11:55:16 AM »
some chatter that former walk-on Davis Warren has made a serious push and might've overtaken Alex Orji as QB1.

Not sure how I feel about that. IF that is the case probably means Alex Orji was just too inconsistent and too inaccurate throwing the football and that means one of two things: we in serious trouble on offense and gonna suck or this Davis Warren fella about to go on a movie like storybook fairytale Stetson Bennett/Rudy arch of from walk-on zero to program hero.

IF Davis Warren is the starter I tend to think it means Michigan gonna suck on offense. The walk-on to stud player route is like one in a billion. Not feeling great.
Unless Orji is like completely unable to throw the ball at all bad, I'd just roll with him, let him learn on the job, and run the ball 90% of the time if need be.  I know it's not last year where you have no real games in September, and you play Texas Week 2, but that plan worked ok in Happy Valley last year

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Game Week
« Reply #113 on: August 30, 2024, 12:03:13 PM »
Unless Orji is like completely unable to throw the ball at all bad, I'd just roll with him, let him learn on the job, and run the ball 90% of the time if need be.  I know it's not last year where you have no real games in September, and you play Texas Week 2, but that plan worked ok in Happy Valley last year
I agree with all that. Orji has around 35 pounds on JJ but he's also quicker/faster than JJ. And JJ could run...he wasn't slow by any means...they just smartly limited his running opportunities. Orji is seriously built like a tank and he is a freakish athlete. He can run away from defenders and he's not afraid to lower all 6'3, 235 pounds of his shoulders and just truck stick a motherfucker. I really want to see a ton of read option and designed runs with him. He's just got to be able to protect the football and make enough easy throws consistently to be the QB.

And what's a QB's best friend, something that can make life easier for him in the passing game? Stud TE or a RB who can catch the ball out of the backfield like a wide receiver. Well, Michigan arguably has the best at both of those worlds in the entire country. Colston Loveland is that good and Donovan Edwards is as good of a receiving back as I have ever seen in my life anywhere.

You'd think it'd be easy to build an offense centered on the run game with a QB as athletic as Orji and a TE like Colston Loveland and a RB who can catch the ball like a wide receiver like Edwards. Those are nice security blankets for any QB to throw high percentage easy throws at. 

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Post Game
« Reply #114 on: September 01, 2024, 08:35:54 AM »
My takes on last night’s game in Ann Arbor:

Michigan’s D is championship level.  Yes, there was a couple busts.

Fresno State is no cupcake.

OL is a work in progress and will eventually be good but next Saturday is gonna be ugly.

Donavan Edwards looked like the early last year version.  Some of that is the OL and a lot of it is him.  Tenuous running and looked like he has vision issues.  Mulling should be RB #1.

Orji’s passing game ain’t happening.  Never ever.  Time to move on.  Move him to TE?

Warren is serviceable and should remain as QB #1.  Short to medium pass accuracy is good, needs to work on the long ball, he under threw some long balls which is deadly.  Probably should drop QB runs from the playbook because if Warren gets hurt…

Special teams are good. Place kicker is outstanding.
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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Post Game
« Reply #115 on: September 01, 2024, 09:28:40 AM »
Warren is serviceable and should remain as QB #1.  Short to medium pass accuracy is good,
We must have watched a different game. A vast majority of his throws were in front of or behind the target, especially any moving target. Loveland bailed him out on quite a few throws that weren’t accurate. Sure there were a few that were, but a majority were not from my seat on the Monday Morning Quarterback couch.

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Post Game
« Reply #116 on: September 01, 2024, 09:38:11 AM »
We must have watched a different game. A vast majority of his throws were in front of or behind the target, especially any moving target. Loveland bailed him out on quite a few throws that weren’t accurate. Sure there were a few that were, but a majority were not from my seat on the Monday Morning Quarterback couch.
yeah I have no clue wtf he was watching, Davis Warren sucks.

And I have no clue how he can say Alex Orji passing ain't happening....he threw 2 passes one at the beginning of the game, one at the end. One pass went for a TD. The second pass was a really bad one he dirt-balled. That's it.

The coaches seriously mismanaged the QB situation. They should've given Davis Warren the first half and Orji the second half. My guess is they score 40+ if Orji was given the entire 2nd half. Orji only had 5 carries but he ran for almost 40 yards and was close to popping a couple big runs but got tripped/up shoestring tackled. And he only threw 2 passes. That's it. My guess here is you give Orji 15 carries he's popping one run for 20+ and he's going to open up the running lanes for the other RB's and make the passing game easier because Fresno is going to have to actually account for him and play 11 on 11 and not 11 on 10 like they could with Davis Warren who is zero threat to run or throw because: he sucks.

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Post Game
« Reply #117 on: September 01, 2024, 09:54:32 AM »
yeah I have no clue wtf he was watching, Davis Warren sucks.

And I have no clue how he can say Alex Orji passing ain't happening....he threw 2 passes one at the beginning of the game, one at the end. One pass went for a TD. The second pass was a really bad one he dirt-balled. That's it.

The coaches seriously mismanaged the QB situation. They should've given Davis Warren the first half and Orji the second half. My guess is they score 40+ if Orji was given the entire 2nd half. Orji only had 5 carries but he ran for almost 40 yards and was close to popping a couple big runs but got tripped/up shoestring tackled. And he only threw 2 passes. That's it. My guess here is you give Orji 15 carries he's popping one run for 20+ and he's going to open up the running lanes for the other RB's and make the passing game easier because Fresno is going to have to actually account for him and play 11 on 11 and not 11 on 10 like they could with Davis Warren who is zero threat to run or throw because: he sucks.
Here’s my question. If Orji is absolutely that poor with accuracy, why in the world have they been keeping him at QB this long? If it’s so bad he doesn’t deserve a fair shot, then, I don’t know, work him into other parts of the offense maybe?

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Re: Fresno State (0-0) at #9 Michigan (0-0) Post Game
« Reply #118 on: September 01, 2024, 11:06:48 AM »
Here’s my question. If Orji is absolutely that poor with accuracy, why in the world have they been keeping him at QB this long? If it’s so bad he doesn’t deserve a fair shot, then, I don’t know, work him into other parts of the offense maybe?
that's a good question. they seem dead set on keeping the offensive system the same. Orji probably doesn't fit that. but he doesn't have to if you: BUILD THE OFFENSE AROUND HIM.

No clue why they let Davis Warren throw the ball nearly 30 times meanwhile they only let Orji throw it twice and run it five times. Orji should've been allowed to throw it 10-15 times and run it 10-15 times. Give the kid a fair chance to see what he can do. They gave that to Davis Warren- and it wasn't pretty.

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Re: Fresno State (0-1) at #9 Michigan (1-0) Postgame
« Reply #119 on: September 01, 2024, 07:50:46 PM »
Fresno State was 10-3 in 2021, 10-4 in 2022, and 9-4 in 2023. So pretty solid G5 program post the 'Rona. They also were returning 14 starters from the year before including their starting QB, and they also added a former 5* #1 overall 'croot DL Korey Foreman in the porthole in the off-season. Michigan held them to their lowest point total since 2019. Michigan also seemed to always have fugly games vs inferior OOC teams under Jeem. For example last year vs Bowling Green.

Maybe we don't suck as bad as I thought and was over-reacting?


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Re: Fresno State (0-1) at #9 Michigan (1-0) Postgame
« Reply #120 on: September 02, 2024, 04:03:48 PM »
Watched the game again.  Only saw one bad pass by Warren in the first half, an under thrown long ball that was intercepted.  In the second half Warren threw a ball too high and out front of Edwards, and another too far out in front of Bell.  Did notice that Warren stares his receiver down.  There were dropped balls, and a couple other long balls that were just a little too long.  Can’t fault Warren for those.  So, I would say Warren had a good first game but there’s room for improvement.

Wasn’t expecting Michigan to show much against Fresno and they didn’t.  The biggest issue is the OL which had a crappy game.  Hoping that gets fixed this week.
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