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Topic: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues

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MrNubbz

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #84 on: November 14, 2024, 12:08:47 PM »
I didn't think it would diminish interest in the sport, just some aspects thereof.

I can see a lot of players sitting out bowl games, even the Orange Bowl et al.
An indication the Networks/Universities are stretching these players luck,that many/me have been parroting since it was announced
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #85 on: November 14, 2024, 12:08:51 PM »
Indeed, FSU did it, and I suspect it's going to explode now because of the playoff.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #86 on: November 14, 2024, 01:01:05 PM »
we've had a playoff for a few seasons
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #87 on: November 14, 2024, 01:28:07 PM »
This was already an increasing trend before a 12-team playoff.  I think it's more a sign of the times than anything else.
Have we seen guys with remaining eligibility do it?  I think you might start seeing that.  To be honest, the coaches probably wouldn't even hate it, give them more chances to see which reserves are worth fighting/paying to keep out of the portal, and which ones aren't.  Granted the flip side is it might show which reserves other schools decide to attempt to poach, and which ones they don't.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #88 on: November 14, 2024, 01:30:09 PM »
I didn't think it would diminish interest in the sport, just some aspects thereof.

I can see a lot of players sitting out bowl games, even the Orange Bowl et al.
Just to make sure I understand.  Right now the plan is for the Orange Bowl to always be part of the CFP rotation.  Some years as a quarterfinal around New Years day and other years as a semifinal about 10 days after New Years.

So are you saying you think players will be sitting out playoff games too?

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #89 on: November 14, 2024, 04:01:02 PM »
A 3 loss SEC team doesn't deserve to get in over a one loss indiana
I quoted @FearlessF here but I'm replying to him, @OrangeAfroMan , @jgvol and others.  

IMHO this and OAM's immediate "for the crime of playing a tougher schedule" comment are too hasty.  I think it depends *WHICH* SEC team ends up with 3 losses.  

Assuming that Indiana loses to Ohio State (the only other option is Purdue) then the Hoosiers will have a "not bad" loss and . . . no quality wins.  Their OOC was laughable and their league schedule avoids Oregon and Penn State so there isn't much left.  Based on current standings their best wins would be UCLA, Washington, and Michigan (all 3-4 in conference).  

Personally, I'd take a 3-loss Georgia over that 11-1 IU because Georgia has the #1 SoS in the Country.  Their schedule includes:
  • Clemson (won 34-3)
  • @ Bama (lost 41-34)
  • @ Texas (won 30-15)
  • @ Ole Miss (lost 28-10)
  • Tennessee (this weekend)
If Georgia beats Tennessee and wins their last two games (vs UMASS, vs GaTech) they'll be 10-2 including 3-2 against teams substantially better than ANY team that a 11-1 IU beat.  Even with a loss to Tennessee, the Dawgs would still have two wins (Clemson and @ Texas) clearly better than anything on IU's resume.  

That said, I mentioned above that UGA has the #1 SoS so they have the BEST potential 3-loss SEC Team argument.  I'd view it a LOT differently if the 3-loss SEC team in question was Tennessee.  Tennessee played a ranked NCST team OOC but that was then.  At this point NCST is 5-5 overall and 2-4 in the weak ACC so that win isn't impressive.  


Within the SEC, Tennessee played a ranked Oklahoma team but that team is now 5-5/1-5 so not impressive.  They lost to a mediocre Arkansas team.  They don't play aTm, Texas, Ole Miss, Mizzou, LSU, or USCe so the only .500+ SEC teams that they play are Bama (won 24-17) and UGA (this weekend).  I wouldn't take a 3-loss Tennessee over an 11-1 Indiana.  Even a 10-2 Tennessee doesn't have that good of an argument.  Sure, they have a nice win over Bama but they also have an ugly loss to Arkansas.  In my view those more-or-less cancel out and then you have a loss to UGA.  

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #90 on: November 14, 2024, 04:39:44 PM »
2 loss Tennessee, 2 loss Ole Miss would be comparable.  (Tennessee at least tried to play someone OOC, however.  OM did not.)

If Texas takes another loss (vs. A&M), they should be the first 2 loss SEC out of the playoff But they won't be.).  Their best win is 10th place, 6-4 Vandy.  Essentially Indiana, with an extra loss.

I don't think any 3 loss team deserves a slot.  Even with UGA's schedule.  (And it's about damned time they played a tough one.)
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #91 on: November 14, 2024, 04:47:46 PM »

Personally, I'd take a 3-loss Georgia over that 11-1 IU because Georgia has the #1 SoS in the Country.  Their schedule includes:
  • Clemson (won 34-3)
  • @ Bama (lost 41-34)
  • @ Texas (won 30-15)
  • @ Ole Miss (lost 28-10)
  • Tennessee (this weekend)
the old great SOS with losses vs crap SOS w/o losses

if Indiana's lone loss is to Ohio St that's a pretty good loss

yes, Georgia's losses are good,(about the same as a 2 loss OSU) but there are 3 of them
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #92 on: November 14, 2024, 04:54:40 PM »
the old great SOS with losses vs crap SOS w/o losses

if Indiana's lone loss is to Ohio St that's a pretty good loss

yes, Georgia's losses are good,(about the same as a 2 loss OSU) but there are 3 of them

Well, you'd have to play 3 to get 3 so there's that.  :)

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #93 on: November 14, 2024, 05:11:25 PM »
I don't think it's better to have a better 4th loss
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #94 on: November 14, 2024, 05:16:56 PM »

BIG TEN scavenging itself
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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #95 on: November 14, 2024, 05:21:01 PM »
I don't think it's better to have a better 4th loss

And there's the conundrum.

Play a tough schedule and get rewarded/punished for it.


Play an easy schedule and get rewarded/punished for it.

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #96 on: November 14, 2024, 05:30:23 PM »
Indiana, assuming a loss to OSU, won't have any "great wins". However it's not like they were struggling through those wins. They were blowing teams out. 

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Re: First 12-Team Playoff Rankings Tues
« Reply #97 on: November 14, 2024, 05:44:14 PM »
And there's the conundrum.

Play a tough schedule and get rewarded/punished for it.


Play an easy schedule and get rewarded/punished for it.
I'll give Georgia props for scheduling Clemson

UMass, Tennessee Tech, & G-tech not so much

As for Clemson, they've played no one besides Georgia
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