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MrNubbz

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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #308 on: November 17, 2020, 12:33:36 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on November 17, 2020, 11:39:04 AM
There is a somewhat credible rumor that Harbaugh will resign at the end of the year.  I hope not.
This would actually work out for the program/university not paying next years full contract.And getting a jump on a replacement
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #309 on: November 17, 2020, 12:47:19 PM »
OK. So this is a little bit interesting...Sam Webb and Steve Witflong both just CRYSTAL BALLZED 2022 5* CB Will Johnson (6'3, 190)- the #8 player overall in the nation, the #3 CB, and the #1 player in Michigan in the 247Composite- to the Wolverines. Johnson is the highest rated player to come from the state of Michigan since LaMarr Woodley in 2003.

Johnson's father played at Michigan in the 90's, but there was a lot of smoke that he had been leaning to Ohio State. What makes it interesting is that Johnson has struck up a close friendship with the top CB in 2022- 5* Domani Jackson (6-1, 185) - the #4 player overall in the nation, the #1 CB, and the #1 player in California. Jackson's CRYTSTAL BALLZ were all on USC (hometown team) and Ohio State. Meanwhile, Johnson has made it public for awhile that he wants to pair up with Jackson and go to school together. Jackson's parents are originally from Ohio, and his Dad was a Michigan fan- which he passed onto the son- who grew up a big Michigan fan.

You fire Harbaugh, recruiting efforts will assuredly fall apart. Maybe best thing to do is just suck it up and give him a mulligan for a shit ass crazy ass COVID filled 2020. Let him have 2021 to put up or shut up.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #310 on: November 17, 2020, 12:50:16 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 17, 2020, 12:28:46 PM
He didn't like Jim Harbaugh. Neither did his mother.
That's got nothing to to do with his study habits - he got a 9 on the Wonderlic that's either lax program standards or Rashad didn't like to hit the books.Not that anyone does but still

  Lotsa he said/she said regarding recruiting.In the end a kid will go where they like not where your buddy does.Too much connecting the dots based on assumptions
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #311 on: November 17, 2020, 12:51:31 PM »
4 More Years! 4 More Years!
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #312 on: November 17, 2020, 12:54:10 PM »
Also- Jim Harbaugh does have a QB coming in 2021 that even he might not be able to f**k up.

2021 5* QB JJ McCarthy is by far the most talented, polished QB prospect he's ever recruited at Michigan. It's not really even close.

I think JJ will be the starter day one.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #313 on: November 17, 2020, 12:56:35 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 17, 2020, 12:47:19 PM
You fire Harbaugh, recruiting efforts will assuredly fall apart. Maybe best thing to do is just suck it up and give him a mulligan for a shit ass crazy ass COVID filled 2020. Let him have 2021 to put up or shut up.
IMHO:  Recruiting determines the speed with which the situation need to be dealt with.  

If Harbaugh is keeping up in recruiting (as your post suggests that he is), then there is no need to rush his termination.  The AD can give him another year to get it right and if he doesn't, the new guy will get a fully stocked roster.  OTOH, if Harbaugh is NOT keeping up in recruiting then he needs to be terminated no later than the end of the 2020 season because if he isn't keeping up in recruiting them every year that you wait is that much worse for his eventual replacement.  
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #314 on: November 17, 2020, 12:56:57 PM »
Heard that about Dixon,he better teach develop it's a big leap from HS
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #315 on: November 17, 2020, 01:05:13 PM »
Quote from: medinabuckeye1 on November 17, 2020, 12:56:35 PM
IMHO:  Recruiting determines the speed with which the situation need to be dealt with. 

If Harbaugh is keeping up in recruiting (as your post suggests that he is), then there is no need to rush his termination.  The AD can give him another year to get it right and if he doesn't, the new guy will get a fully stocked roster.  OTOH, if Harbaugh is NOT keeping up in recruiting then he needs to be terminated no later than the end of the 2020 season because if he isn't keeping up in recruiting them every year that you wait is that much worse for his eventual replacement. 
well the 2022 stuff is just rumblings so far- but insiders like Sam Webb and Steve Witflong are saying it's looking very good for Michigan right now for a pair of top 10 national players- and the #1 and #3 CB's in the entire country. That is a great news for a team that has literally no playable B1G CB's on their entire roster in 2020. If they were to land 5* CB's Jackson & Johnson- those dudes are starting as a true freshman in 2022. 

For the 2021 class they currently have the 9th ranked class in the nation, and have 4* WR Xavier Worthy- maybe the fastest HS player in the entire country coming in- and they also have 5* QB JJ McCarthy- definitely the best QB recruit Harbaugh has ever brought in during his run at Michigan. They are also very much in play for 4* Donovan Edwards, who is nipping at the heels of 5* status, and if his ranking even held he would be the highest rated RB that Harbuagh has brought in yet. 

As sick and tired as I am of the guy- maybe just holding course is the only thing they can do at this point.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #316 on: November 17, 2020, 01:47:38 PM »
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #317 on: November 17, 2020, 02:00:27 PM »
Sam McGuffie was the original Christian McCaffrey.

Kind of surprised McGuffie didn't pan out to be honest. He was insanely athletic and he wasn't small either. He was a legitimate 5'10/5'11 and north of 200 pounds. And he was legitimately fast. Very fast. He timed in those NIKE Opening combines in the 4.3's- he could really run. And he was a dominant HS player in the state of Texas. And then to top it off, he had probably one of the best highlight tapes YouTube has ever seen.

He had decent size and was legitimately freakishly athletic. Just didn't workout for whatever reason. 
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #318 on: November 17, 2020, 02:13:10 PM »
Some quick thoughts:

This team would be a lot better if Dylan McCaffrey was starting at QB, Nico Collins was back at WR, DT's Aubrey Solomon and Michael Dwumfour didn't transfer out over disputes with Harbaugh, and Ambry Thomas was starting at CB 1.

Joe Milton isn't ready to be a starting QB. He's way too raw and he doesn't have the coaching around him to develop him. I figured this would happen. 58.4% completion and he's 4 TD's vs 4 INT's. His completion % is awful, considering this offense doesn't throw anything further than 10 yards down the field for 90% of it's pass attempts. A legit QB playing in this offense would be completing 65%, and a high level QB would be completing 70% or more. Milton is at 58.4%. This kid was 47% completion for his high school career. He's just not accurate. And I'm not sure that's something you can teach. He's got a bazooka and he tries to throw everything at 100mph. He's had open guys and he's thrown it too hard, too high, too behind, or too far. He hasn't learned to reign his arm in and throw with touch after 2+ years in the program. Not sure he's ever going to.

Jim needs someone that is already mostly developed- because Jim can't develop QB's. Jim also needs a QB that has a thick skin to be able to stomach Jim, so that Jim can't screw said QB up mentally and have it leak over onto the field- which is what I think he did to Patterson to a degree. 

Obviously goes without saying offense would have a big boost having their #1 WR back in Collins. And obviously goes without saying both those DT's would help shore up the middle of that defense a lot as DT has been the weakest point for this team outside of CB. And then obviously goes without saying having an All-B1G caliber CB like Ambry Thomas would help shore up a CB group that has been a complete disaster.

JJ McCarthy might be the QB that Jim needs that's going to save his ass. I don't see Joe Milton being able to keep McCarthy out of the starting job in 2021.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #319 on: November 17, 2020, 02:25:45 PM »
By the way- it was late and kind of meaningless and Michigan was already down what felt like 100 pts- but it's clear as day to notice the difference when McNamara was in vs Milton. 

McNamara can actually throw with touch and accuracy, and looks way more decisive in the pocket going through reads. Milton panics in the pocket if the first read isn't there, and he throws everything at 100mph with zero touch- which obviously affects his accuracy greatly. 

I'm a huge fan of the guys with the giant arms- but only if they have the touch and accuracy to go with it. 

I'd be really surprised if McNamara isn't the guy moving forward.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #320 on: November 17, 2020, 02:31:27 PM »
Gotta find a place on the field for Milton. Maybe H-Back or something.
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Re: #FireHarbaugh
« Reply #321 on: November 17, 2020, 02:37:14 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on November 17, 2020, 02:31:27 PM
Gotta find a place on the field for Milton. Maybe H-Back or something.
He picked the wrong school. He needs to transfer. His physical tools are insane but he needs so much development as a passer and he was never going to get that playing for Jim Harbaugh at Michigan. Jim Harbaugh has proven he doesn't develop QB's. At all. Milton is so physically gifted, had he picked the right program where he'd have been developed as a passer, he'd have had a chance at being the #1 overall pick. Michigan wasn't that program.

Harbaugh is a stubborn idiot in love with himself and was enamored with Milton- which is why McCaffrey got ran off. Milton was basically handed the job over McCaffrey after McCaffrey got sick and missed some time- when anybody with a brain could see McCaffrey was just a much better QB.

I mean it was a couple series and anyone with a brain could see McNamara was just a better passer and better QB than Milton. And McNamara is probably 5 inches shorter, 45 pounds lighter, has literally half the arm strength, and runs nowhere near as fast Milton. That position is not about size, speed, arm strength at all.
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