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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1764 on: May 28, 2024, 02:03:18 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 28, 2024, 01:46:29 PM
they don't all use Mercedes engines but they all use fossil fuel burning engines
And even then, they don't all use the same gas. Some engines with higher compression ratios require higher octane than others, so gas stations typically have two or three different types of gas. 
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« Reply #1765 on: May 28, 2024, 02:04:19 PM »
so, it's a big nothing burger like most political posturing
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1766 on: May 28, 2024, 02:07:30 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 28, 2024, 02:04:19 PM
so, it's a big nothing burger like most political posturing
The Cali mandate?  It might be a nothing burger, it's easily unmandated.  I thought it would be, but now I'm not so sure with PHEVs qualifying.  It's about to start hitting, so we'll see.  The 35% seems "optimistic" to me.

They mandate 35% of new cars sold must be electric or plug-in hybrid by 2026. That proportion will rise to 68% by 2030 and 100% by 2035

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« Reply #1767 on: May 28, 2024, 02:56:50 PM »
I meant a nothing burger in the sense of burning gasoline and CO2 emissions

if most of the "new" cars meeting the mandate being sold have gas powered engines 

yes, a small percentage lower number of gallons per mile will be burned, but if there are more people and more miles, the result will be mostly nothing
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« Reply #1768 on: May 28, 2024, 03:09:51 PM »
I figured my current car was the last gas-powered car I'd have.  Just paid it off, so that's good.  66K miles on it.  I could probably double that before it gets to be a money pit.  

Maybe I should edit my suspicion to being the last solely gas-powered car.  Idk.

I miss my Jeep.
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« Reply #1769 on: May 28, 2024, 03:12:39 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 28, 2024, 03:09:51 PM
I figured my current car was the last gas-powered car I'd have.  Just paid it off, so that's good.  66K miles on it.  I could probably double that before it gets to be a money pit. 

Maybe I should edit my suspicion to being the last solely gas-powered car.  Idk.

I miss my Jeep.
Seems like you take a lot of driving trips? EV might not be great for you.

It would suck to have to charge for 40 minutes in Death Valley.
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« Reply #1770 on: May 28, 2024, 03:18:49 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 28, 2024, 03:12:39 PM
Seems like you take a lot of driving trips? EV might not be great for you.

It would suck to have to charge for 40 minutes in Death Valley.
It would suck to do anything for 40 minutes in Death Valley.
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« Reply #1771 on: May 28, 2024, 03:21:13 PM »
might want to borrow a gasser for the annual trip to Florida
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« Reply #1772 on: May 28, 2024, 03:30:32 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 28, 2024, 03:09:51 PM
I figured my current car was the last gas-powered car I'd have.  Just paid it off, so that's good.  66K miles on it.  I could probably double that before it gets to be a money pit. 

Maybe I should edit my suspicion to being the last solely gas-powered car.  Idk.

I miss my Jeep.
Yeah, I'm TBD on what I'll do when I replace my car. And also TBD on when that will be. 

It's currently ~10 years old with 90K miles. The earliest I'll do anything will be at least 2 years from now (when my oldest graduates HS) or 3 years from now (second oldest graduates). But I also think that my driving volume will decrease soon (oldest should get his drivers license very soon), so I'll be accumulating miles more slowly. 

Once they're out of the house I might just decide that there's no need to rush into getting anything. 

And the longer I wait, the more mature the EV market will be and the more we understand the longer-term ownership outlook for EVs. So the longer I wait, the more information I'll have to make a decision on whether my next car will be EV or not. 
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« Reply #1773 on: May 28, 2024, 03:57:07 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 28, 2024, 03:09:51 PM
I figured my current car was the last gas-powered car I'd have.  Just paid it off, so that's good.  66K miles on it.  I could probably double that before it gets to be a money pit. 

Maybe I should edit my suspicion to being the last solely gas-powered car.  Idk.

I miss my Jeep.
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« Reply #1774 on: May 28, 2024, 03:58:46 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 28, 2024, 03:30:32 PM
Yeah, I'm TBD on what I'll do when I replace my car. And also TBD on when that will be.

It's currently ~10 years old with 90K miles. The earliest I'll do anything will be at least 2 years from now (when my oldest graduates HS) or 3 years from now (second oldest graduates). But I also think that my driving volume will decrease soon (oldest should get his drivers license very soon), so I'll be accumulating miles more slowly.

Once they're out of the house I might just decide that there's no need to rush into getting anything.

And the longer I wait, the more mature the EV market will be and the more we understand the longer-term ownership outlook for EVs. So the longer I wait, the more information I'll have to make a decision on whether my next car will be EV or not.
Make sure you get one that you can swap out the battery...:57:
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« Reply #1775 on: May 28, 2024, 03:59:15 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on May 28, 2024, 03:57:07 PM
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1776 on: May 28, 2024, 06:08:15 PM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on May 28, 2024, 03:30:32 PM
Yeah, I'm TBD on what I'll do when I replace my car. 
As ew've discussed, you have time, and interest in staying up with new developments, and time to consider your needs.  Clearly a PHEV could be a good option for you at some point.  I think the landscape will be considerably different in 3-4 years.  Even though GM and Mercedes et al. have made noises about slowing down, they are still going pretty fast in terms of new models.
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« Reply #1777 on: May 28, 2024, 06:24:45 PM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on May 28, 2024, 06:08:15 PM
As ew've discussed, you have time, and interest in staying up with new developments, and time to consider your needs.  Clearly a PHEV could be a good option for you at some point.  I think the landscape will be considerably different in 3-4 years.  Even though GM and Mercedes et al. have made noises about slowing down, they are still going pretty fast in terms of new models.
Yeah, and although there's "slowing down", sales are still projected to keep going up. There was an oversupply as a bunch of brands all flooded the market at the same time with new models, and realized that everyone else did it too. 

BTW I don't believe in "oversupply". What happens is that there is too much supply to be sold at financially sustainable prices. You drop the price enough, and the market will clear. But you can't lose money and make it up in volume, so they cut back on production to try to get it into a more sustainable balance. 

Believe me, I know the story well. That was my industry from mid-2022 until end-2023. Customers had an inventory glut and weren't buying, so everyone across the industry cut back production, posting "underutilization" charges every quarter because the factories weren't full, trying to bring supply and demand back into balance so prices got back to where we can make money. It wasn't that nobody wanted our products, it was that there was a temporary supply/demand imbalance that needed time to work through the system. 

The IEA says that annual US BEV sales will more than double from CY2023 to CY2025. 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-28/the-slowdown-in-us-electric-vehicle-sales-looks-more-like-a-blip
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