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use fusion to make hydrogen

Daimler releases 'open source' hydrogen fueling standard for trucks (electrek.co)
Daimler releases 'open source' hydrogen fueling standard for trucks (electrek.co)

I suspect the first time one of these tanks ruptures and does a Hburg, this all will stop.

In summary, you might want an EV IFF you own a home (or rent single family) and need a second car for getting around town.  You could easily manage with a cheaper version, a Bolt or Leaf or equivalent and try for the $7500 TC.  You probably only need 150 miles of range to feel confident about it.  You can charge over night after driving 40 miles a day even using 110 outlets.  This works best in California or Hawaii even if electricity prices are high.

I still notice relatively few EVs in France today.  I chatted about it with our driver, he had a Mercedes Diesel.  He told us they were basically forcing an EV on him when he needs another vehicle and it was a big concern for him.

The odd thing, to me, in France, is how many of these 2 stroke scooters run about.  They pollute like crazy.  I did note a sparse few EV scooters.  They sound like 2 stroke engines to me.

Sure, I shouldn't have sounded so limiting.  For some folks, a single EV would work just fine if they don't expect to travel with it.  

The key, to me, is anyone who might have to recharge the thing at a commercial charging site fairly often, as would be the case on a trip.

The other option is to have the EV for local travel and rent a car if you need it for a trip.  Or you could have a plug in hybrid.

We're getting about 33 mpg overall with the Hyundai.  I filled up at Costco yesterday under $3.  We drive about 6,000 miles a year, so <200 gallons at $3, not that large an expense relatively speaking.

Sure, I shouldn't have sounded so limiting.  For some folks, a single EV would work just fine if they don't expect to travel with it. 

The key, to me, is anyone who might have to recharge the thing at a commercial charging site fairly often, as would be the case on a trip.

The other option is to have the EV for local travel and rent a car if you need it for a trip.  Or you could have a plug in hybrid.

We're getting about 33 mpg overall with the Hyundai.  I filled up at Costco yesterday under $3.  We drive about 6,000 miles a year, so <200 gallons at $3, not that large an expense relatively speaking.

Yeah, <6K miles a year also makes an EV less of a benefit, since the acquisition costs are typically higher than ICEV. 

But my view is that if 95%+ of your driving can occur w/o ever needing a public charger, I think a lot of people would be willing to make the tradeoff of otherwise never having to go to a gas station. I can say from talking to EV owners, the fact that they almost never even have to think about their car's charge (b/c it's always charged when they leave their house), and almost never need to go out of their way to "fill up", is one of the advantages that they never thought about but absolutely love. 

Maybe the main key is being able to plug in at home.  (Price is another of course.)

For most of us outside CA, I don't think it makes sense broadly speaking.

This conversation made me go randomly search up F150 Lightning towing data, and I found this interesting Youtube segment where they compare an F150 lightning to a standard F150 turbo hybrid.  Most of it is expected and aligns to our conversations here, but they did manage to get more towing distance out of the Lightning than I expected.  Seems like a full charge would have gotten them around 150-160 miles, as it is they only went down to 20% and got around 130 miles I think.  Fast-charging back to 80% took 45 mins, and then their range would have been something like another 120 miles.  Going all the way to 100% took a total of 2hrs 10 mins, that last 20% charges much more slowly as we already know.

So if you just went from 80% to 20% you'd be stopping about every 1.5-2 hours, and recharging for around 45 mins to an hour each time.  That's not ideal but it is better than I expected.  This is outside of Chicago so it's flat, obviously hills and mountains would diminish the range more quickly.

One other thing they brought up that I hadn't really thought about, is that gassing up your ICEV whilst towing is a very straightforward thing.  You can easily plan a route that has large, convenient gas stations with easy entrance/egress capability with your trailer attached.  But electric chargers are not typically placed in easy pull-through locations.  They had to disconnect their trailer in order to move the F150 Lightning to the charging bay.  It's not the end of the world, I can disconnect and reconnect in under 10 mins per, but it's another inconvenience when comparing ICEV to EV for towing purposes.  Anyway, whole video is here, it's somewhat interesting (to people like me, anyway).

Oh another thing I saw is that they now have max towing capacity on the turbo hybrid, so it's finally coming into range for my purposes.  The F150 full EV on the other hand, maxes out a couple thousand pounds less, so even if the distance limitations weren't prohibitive, the towing capacity still is.

https://www.cars.com/articles/ford-f-150-lightning-vs-f-150-hybrid-what-we-learned-towing-and-hauling-with-an-electric-truck-455992/