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Cincydawg

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #910 on: October 03, 2023, 04:51:17 PM »
Battery life has been difficult to assess for obvious reasons.  Tesla has concluded that they lose somewhere around 10% in 200,000 miles, with a lot of variability.  That's a Tesla figure, so take it with a grain.  

According to Tesla CEO Elon Musk, your Tesla batteries are supposed to last for 300,000 to 500,000 miles, or 1,500 battery cycles. 

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« Reply #911 on: October 03, 2023, 05:17:33 PM »
The batteries from everyone I've talked to have been fine for Tesla. The early Nissan Leaf had horrible battery problems due to poor thermal management. Tesla has seemed to solve that. The other issue is that people have to train themselves not to charge to 100% on the regular. Only do that before a road trip or something where you know you need it. Charge to 80% for daily driving and it'll help battery life. 

The only folks I've known to complain about Tesla are the following:


  • Complaint about build quality, which was a major issue for Tesla at the beginning, and not 100% sure they've figured it out. 
  • Repairability/costs. The husband of one of my wife's doctors (also a Dr) had a Model X, and had either some minor fender bender or mechanical issue. He was driving a Tesla loaner for something like a year, and eventually Tesla and the insurance company just declared it totaled because they couldn't get parts to fix it. 
  • The Model 3 bills itself as a luxury car akin to a BMW/Merc/Lexus. In reality, it's a VW/Ford/Toyota level vehicle with a luxury price tag and much better acceleration. 


I don't know that I'd ever buy a Tesla. With the learning curve of EVs, it's unclear whether there will be other viable options in my needs and price range when it comes time to move on from the Flex. But I'd definitely consider it. 

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« Reply #912 on: October 03, 2023, 05:33:19 PM »
I've looked at Teslas for years at the car show at the State Fair.  Agree that even on their "luxury" models, the fit and finish is much closer to Toyota/Ford/VW.  Which would be fine, except the pricetag doesn't match.

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« Reply #913 on: October 03, 2023, 06:22:25 PM »
Yep. And while I'd like to blame Tesla for being a weird poorly-managed company which is why they spent SO much time having profitability issues despite that price tag...

...the real reason that price tag is so high is the cost of the batteries. 

That'll change eventually. But we're not there yet. 

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« Reply #914 on: October 04, 2023, 07:42:39 AM »
I've been in a Model 3 and a Model S. The 3 sucks hard. The S was nice, but WAY too much money.
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« Reply #915 on: October 04, 2023, 08:04:40 AM »
If you gave me a Tesla-I would sell it immediately.    Not a good vehicle
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« Reply #916 on: October 04, 2023, 08:46:49 AM »
me too.

W/O even checking to see if it was a good vehicle
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« Reply #917 on: October 04, 2023, 09:08:27 AM »
I have had a few brief experiences with EVs.  One was a VW in Copenhagen, a taxi.  It seemed fine, the driver liked it.  My step son rented a Tesla Y to drive from here to Cincy and back, he liked it, I had a short ride in it, seemed OK.  My wife said she liked it.

I'm a bit interested in a hybrid, not a full EV, but as little as we drive I'm not sure the extra cost is worth it.  I think some plug in hydrids get a tax credit.

In California or Hawaii, the equation might be different.

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« Reply #918 on: October 05, 2023, 05:27:06 PM »
I've been in a Model 3 and a Model S. The 3 sucks hard. The S was nice, but WAY too much money.
this is very true. the top of the line Model S is niiiiiiiiiiice. the model 3....kinda sucks.

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« Reply #919 on: October 05, 2023, 05:36:10 PM »
I don't think the model S is all that nice.  Certainly not as nice as the competitors that fall in its price range.  Fit and finish is.... pretty average.

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« Reply #920 on: October 05, 2023, 05:40:08 PM »
I don't think the model S is all that nice.  Certainly not as nice as the competitors that fall in its price range.  Fit and finish is.... pretty average.
I haven't ridden in one. However it's the one Tesla that actually looks good. The X is a nondescript bubble, the 3 is a platypus, and the Y is an obese platypus. 

And don't get me started on the stupid-ass Cybertruck. It makes the Mustang EV look stylish. 

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« Reply #921 on: October 05, 2023, 05:47:38 PM »
I don't think the model S is all that nice.  Certainly not as nice as the competitors that fall in its price range.  Fit and finish is.... pretty average.
it's got far more performance than an S class or 7 series. you aren't buying an S Class/7 Series that has 1,000+ hp and goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds and tops out at 200+ mph....

but in terms of the interior....you're right. the interiors on the older models used to be a lot nicer. it's pretty bleh now. especially with the fit and finishes the S Class/7 Series are putting out now.

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« Reply #922 on: October 05, 2023, 05:49:17 PM »
it's got far more performance than an S class or 7 series. you aren't buying an S Class/7 Series that has 1,000+ hp and goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds and tops out at 200+ mph....

but in terms of the interior....you're right. the interiors on the older models used to be a lot nicer. it's pretty bleh now. especially with the fit and finishes the S Class/7 Series are putting out now.
Yup that's my point.  I'm not talking about track performance.  

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« Reply #923 on: October 06, 2023, 08:03:48 AM »
it's got far more performance than an S class or 7 series. you aren't buying an S Class/7 Series that has 1,000+ hp and goes 0-60 in under 2 seconds and tops out at 200+ mph....

but in terms of the interior....you're right. the interiors on the older models used to be a lot nicer. it's pretty bleh now. especially with the fit and finishes the S Class/7 Series are putting out now.
1. I'd rather have the S and drive 600 miles before needing to stop.

2. Don't know where I'd use that performance around here. And you definitely couldn't use it over there.
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