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Mdot21

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1442 on: March 28, 2024, 09:39:28 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2024, 09:32:53 AM
Where in Germany?
this was back in like 2009 and 2011 I want to say, went to Frankfurt, Munich, Cologne, and Bamberg. 

One of the craziest things I've ever seen by the way- driving into Frankfurt from the airport I remember they had this giant billboard for an ad for this place which I had to drive past on the way to the hotel- it was a god damn apartment building brothel. Literally like a 10 story apartment building and the entire thing is just a brothel. Craziest shit I've ever seen in my life. The Germans are freaky.
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« Reply #1443 on: March 28, 2024, 09:41:28 AM »
They make some great cars.
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« Reply #1444 on: March 28, 2024, 09:43:16 AM »
Quote from: Cincydawg on March 28, 2024, 09:38:55 AM
I'm mostly hung up on the cost to charge an EV away from home.  That, to me, is the KEY, more than range or charging times.
I tested out the Porsche EV for a few days, and it cost about $15-18 every time to charge it up from around 30-40% to 90-95%. Doesn't seem like a lot....but it takes 45 minutes to an hr to charge every time- and I had to charge the thing constantly because the range on a full charge is only like 230 miles and you NEVER get anywhere close to that 230 miles.

Comes out to basically the same price as pumping gas because have to charge it so much- and the wait times for the charging is ridiculous. And that's if you're lucky and you get to a charger where no one is already using them all. Then you're waiting twice as long. 
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1445 on: March 28, 2024, 09:44:22 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2024, 09:41:28 AM
They make some great cars.
that they do. and kitchen cabinets. and beer. and elevators. and trains. 

their food sucks ass though. in my opinion.
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« Reply #1446 on: March 28, 2024, 09:47:52 AM »
I guess M-B is shooting for all-electric by 2030? Not sure about BMW and Porsche.
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1447 on: March 28, 2024, 09:52:26 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2024, 09:47:52 AM
I guess M-B is shooting for all-electric by 2030? Not sure about BMW and Porsche.
Various automakers are claiming a similar timeline, Cadillac is as well.  I view this as subject to change depending on market forces (duh).

I saw Hyundai was building a huge plant near Savannah to build EVs and is now saying it may build hybrids as well.  I think Toyota and Honda are nearer to getting this right.

But as long as charging away from home costs about the same as gasoline, it seems like not a very good equation for me.
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« Reply #1448 on: March 28, 2024, 09:59:28 AM »
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« Reply #1449 on: March 28, 2024, 10:02:51 AM »
I guess I'll by my last M-B in 2029.
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« Reply #1450 on: March 28, 2024, 10:05:32 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 28, 2024, 09:26:11 AM
have a feeling like once China starts flooding the US/EU market with their EVs in 2025 or 2026 prices on EVs will start coming down.
Eh. EV costs won't come down until/unless battery costs come down. Prices can never decline, long term, faster than costs. And since batteries are a HUGE reason why EVs cost so much, the battery prices need to come down. 
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1451 on: March 28, 2024, 10:08:06 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on March 28, 2024, 10:02:51 AM
I guess I'll by my last M-B in 2029.
I have a strong hunch these plans will get changed.  Maybe they create some other brand for ICE Vs.
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« Reply #1452 on: March 28, 2024, 10:14:24 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 28, 2024, 10:05:32 AM
Eh. EV costs won't come down until/unless battery costs come down. Prices can never decline, long term, faster than costs. And since batteries are a HUGE reason why EVs cost so much, the battery prices need to come down.
BYD is backed by the Chinese state. They can operate at losses infinitely so long as the state of China subsidizes them.

BYD will try to steal market share by slashing prices and trying to undercut it's competition (which it's already done in China to supplant Tesla as #1 there)- which will just force the competition to match and slash prices in US/EU markets. Will be a little harder for them to do in the US but not impossible considering the tariffs the Trump administration put in place on China (thank god for that)- and will be virtually impossible for them if Trump is elected (fingers crossed) as he has promised to put a 100% tariff on Chinese made in Mexico EVs- but as of now there are no such tariffs in the EU- which at the moment is the larger, more important market to EV makers.
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« Reply #1453 on: March 28, 2024, 10:28:46 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on March 28, 2024, 10:14:24 AM
BYD is backed by the Chinese state. They can operate at losses infinitely so long as the state of China subsidizes them.

BYD will try to steal market share by slashing prices and trying to undercut it's competition (which it's already done in China to supplant Tesla as #1 there)- which will just force the competition to match and slash prices in US/EU markets. Will be a little harder for them to do in the US but not impossible considering the tariffs the Trump administration put in place on China (thank god for that)- and will be virtually impossible for them if Trump is elected (fingers crossed) as he has promised to put a 100% tariff on Chinese made in Mexico EVs- but as of now there are no such tariffs in the EU- which at the moment is the larger, more important market to EV makers.
I dunno... China is heading for an economic reckoning based on making bad decisions "infinitely" eventually having to come home to roost.

But I would ask... Who in America will buy a Chinese BEV? I very well might be the most pro-EV person on this forum, and I wouldn't touch one at any price. 
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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1454 on: March 28, 2024, 10:35:29 AM »
Quote from: betarhoalphadelta on March 28, 2024, 10:28:46 AM
I dunno... China is heading for an economic reckoning based on making bad decisions "infinitely" eventually having to come home to roost.

But I would ask... Who in America will buy a Chinese BEV? I very well might be the most pro-EV person on this forum, and I wouldn't touch one at any price.
I wouldn't touch any Chinese made EV. But there will be no shortage of Americans buying them if they are very affordable. BYD has slashed prices so low in China that they are selling brand new EV hatchbacks for around $11,500. This is under $12k and will sell a truck load of those in the EU taking a chunk out of EU auto makers asses and US auto makers asses to a lesser degree (we sell cars in EU too, ya know).



And then there is this line of BYD EV they want to export to the US within a couple of years....which they will try to price slash and sell below Tesla, GM, Ford's comparable EV models...

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Re: Electric Vehicle News Items
« Reply #1455 on: March 28, 2024, 10:42:12 AM »
Nope.
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