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You seem to be skimming my post instead of reading them. Not sure how else you would take my experiences living in Columbus, and reach the conclusion that I am prescribing those experiences to all 40 million Californians. This is just getting bizarre.

The initial statement was that people were leaving California because they were scared of being robbed at gunpoint. 

There are a lot of reasons to leave California. That seems like an oddly specific one, and one that I've never heard before. 

Utah has a violent crime rate of 2.36 per 1,000 residents. The national median is 4. California has a violent crime rate of 4.41 per 1,000 residents. 

So admittedly, Californians are at a higher risk of violent crime than residents of Utah. 

But California isn't a homogeneous place. It's a huge state of 40M people. 

Orange County, where I live, has almost the same number of people as the entire state of Utah, and it has a violent crime rate of 2.0 per 1,000 residents--LOWER than Utah. 

Maybe folks in Utah should move to Irvine where it's safe 

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What this really boils down to is one thing... In this thread and elsewhere on this board, we're constantly told that California is a shithole, that it is a failed state, that it's dying, that all businesses are fleeing as fast as they can, and now that California is overrun by armed muggers who will steal our money right before pimps drag our daughters off for sex trafficking, but they're going to take a dump in the street first. 

And then I look outside my window... And I talk to other Californians... And it turns out the sky ISN'T falling. 

Yet California just keeps getting blasted as a dystopian nightmare over and over and over, and when me or BAB argue that it's not really warranted because much of the state is pretty nice [albeit expensive af], we keep hearing the same litany of reasons why apparently what's right in front of our eyes is wrong and California is one step down from Haiti.

To be fair, Brutus... Where you live sounds pretty nice. Good for you. 

I worked with a Californian Mormon who left here to retire up there in St George and play golf all day about 8 years ago... I'm sure he's having a blast too.

Maybe I'll retire there someday. Unfortunately, retirement is a couple decades away for me.

To be fair, Brutus... Where you live sounds pretty nice. Good for you.

I worked with a Californian Mormon who left here to retire up there in St George and play golf all day about 8 years ago... I'm sure he's having a blast too.

Maybe I'll retire there someday. Unfortunately, retirement is a couple decades away for me.

Right on. 

I cannot fault you for defending the place that you live. Hell, I defended Columbus for a long time, for no other reason that I was living there and desired to make the best of it. I knew that it sucked, but I was stuck there. So I might as well make it work. 

Most folks who relocate from Cali are older folks obviously, and they all say the same vague sentiments; that's it no longer is the same California that they grew up in. I have no idea. I've only been there once, and it was San Diego. 

Is it true that they stop you at the border on I-15, in order to make sure that you aren't brining in any out of state vegetables? Someone told me so, and I believe that they are completely FoS. But if so, man.... that's just nuts. Like crossing the Canadian border. 

Will do.

Sorry to disappoint you that I won't grab a pitchfork and join the lynch mob against my new neighbors, who are a tremendous upgrade over my old neighbors by every conceivable metric.

If you want to see what real discrimination looks like, you can study them. Their opposition is bipartisan. They don't get to root for Trump to win or for Biden to win, because they are going to be completely screwed either way. Quite unlike my muggers, who cry discrimination even though they have the most powerful political party in the Nation at their beck and call.

Humans haven't evolved beyond discrimination, they simply aim it towards easy targets where there won't be any backlash from the PC/SJW crowd.

Good point. Let's not discriminate. 

The point I was trying to get across is that there are good places in bad places, and there are bad places in good places, if that makes sense.

Living in Columbus and living in Upper Arlington are two different experiences, and you can't tar Ohio--or even the Columbus metro--as if they're the same, right?

I'd argue that old people of ALL stripes complain about the place they live not being the same place they grew up in lol... I think that has more to do with age than anything else.

As for the produce thing, that actually does happen. They don't stop everyone 100% of the time. Very rarely do I recall being stopped. But I've seen the agriculture inspection stations coming from Vegas on the 15, Reno on I-80, and from Oregon on the 5. The idea, I believe, is purely to keep invasive species out.

Interesting. I don’t think I’ve ever had an agricultural stop. I don’t know that I have more than 15-20 such a border crossings, but still interesting

The point I was trying to get across is that there are good places in bad places, and there are bad places in good places, if that makes sense.

Living in Columbus and living in Upper Arlington are two different experiences, and you can't tar Ohio--or even the Columbus metro--as if they're the same, right?

Yeah I know. I grew up in Dublin and Upper Arlington. That was a very different experience than living in Columbus proper. 

You aren't arguing against anything I said though. Sure, any city is awesome if you are well off and don't have to live among the criminal element. I don't believe I have suggested otherwise. 

I'm quite familiar with both sides of the coin. I was once like you before being transformed into this jaded monster that you see before you today, lol. 

F#$K the cold. F##k the snow. F##k the ice. The north is literally a depressing shithole where the sky is literally grey and depressing 3/4ths of the year. Plus most places up there- there just isn't anything to do. Aside from like Chicago or New York there just isn't anything cool to do/see in that entire region. It sucks. Hate to say it but they call them flyover states for a reason. That reason: they suck.

Dude, I can tell you're holding back. Why don't you tell us how you really feel? 

Yeah I know. I grew up in Dublin and Upper Arlington. That was a very different experience than living in Columbus proper.

You aren't arguing against anything I said though. Sure, any city is awesome if you are well off and don't have to live among the criminal element. I don't believe I have suggested otherwise.

I'm quite familiar with both sides of the coin. I was once like you before being transformed into this jaded monster that you see before you today, lol.

But the impression we get is that you were saying "California is dangerous" rather than "certain neighborhoods in certain parts of California are dangerous", which are two VERY different things. 

OF COURSE certain parts of California are dangerous, just as certain parts of Ohio are dangerous. I'll bet if you look at Utah, there are certain parts of the metro SLC area that are dangerous. 

And... Quite frankly, nowhere is "safe", even your little slice of heaven in Southern UT. For all you know, some serial killer might be planning your demise right now. To be fair, the ODDS are much lower where you live than elsewhere, but it's still not 100% safe. 

As Otter said, can you really blame an entire state for a few bad apples? I'm not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America, sir!


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