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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #980 on: December 03, 2021, 10:45:02 AM »
There are 4 ingredients in cacio e pepe. Water, pasta, cheese, pepper. Butter and/or olive oil are cheating. Romans would bite their thumb at you, sir!

The key is that you need starchy pasta, cooked in barely enough water to cook the pasta, so that you end up with a VERY starchy water. That emulsifies the cheese into a sauce. Butter/olive oil shouldn't be necessary.

(My actual recipe uses butter and olive oil. It's really hard to get enough starch with some Barilla or other grocery store brand pasta. But I'm looking to try it with starchy pasta from the Italian market next time and omit the cheater ingredients.)
so, it's a fancy starch/carbs with cheese seasoned with salt and pepper?

Could just have a potato or hunk of bread
or rice!!!
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« Reply #981 on: December 03, 2021, 10:45:51 AM »
And tomatoes weren't even indigenous to Europe, they were brought back from South America by the Spanish, so the Italians can go jump in a lake if they think they own the only proper ways to use that particular food.

Now, if the Aztecs come along and tell me I'm doing it wrong, I might listen.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #982 on: December 03, 2021, 10:47:37 AM »
Yeah well the Italians are horrified at our Americanized abomination of "meat sauce" where we add meat to the red tomato sauces, but they can have my Sunday gravy when they pry it from my chubby, dead, American fingers.
Ha. So true.   And as you said- Italian food is so regionalized. 

Here is a great cookbook from Northern Italy where my grandparents were from.  Exquisite recipes- and like most authentic Italian food-quite simple. 

The red meat sauce that I make is probably a couple hundred years old, very simple, and something I have yet to taste in any restaurant.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #983 on: December 03, 2021, 10:50:23 AM »
Would you rather have great Italian or great French food for every meal?

I really like good spaghetti.  

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« Reply #984 on: December 03, 2021, 10:50:27 AM »

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« Reply #985 on: December 03, 2021, 10:51:07 AM »
Ha. So true.  And as you said- Italian food is so regionalized.

Here is a great cookbook from Northern Italy where my grandparents were from.  Exquisite recipes- and like most authentic Italian food-quite simple.

The red meat sauce that I make is probably a couple hundred years old, very simple, and something I have yet to taste in any restaurant.
Very cool, thanks, I might buy that for myself for Christmas.  I love cooking Italian food, I find it to be very approachable.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #987 on: December 03, 2021, 10:56:39 AM »
Would you rather have great Italian or great French food for every meal?

I really like good spaghetti. 
I really don't have much experience with French food unfortunately.

There was a very good french place here in the area of 100,000 people, but it was too expensive for this river town to survive.  My daughters and I enjoyed it, but only a handful of times before it closed down.

I've been to a French place in Omaha that I thought was good, but only a few times.  Again, a bit expensive.
Just many more Italian options

I understand why you would have much more experience with French dining
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« Reply #988 on: December 03, 2021, 11:00:16 AM »
I think that's true but it's not necessarily because it's not available.  If you look around most large metropolitan areas, you can find authentic Chinese food.  I used to bring in my vendors from Foxconn, Compal, and some others, for week-long Quarterly Business Reviews.  They always liked to hit up the BBQ and Tex-Mex places, but they also always wanted to have one meal at this local Chinese place right next to our headquarters.  They loved it, and told me that it was very authentic.  They were often surprised because I told them just to order whatever they felt like, I wasn't afraid to try anything, and in general I liked all of it.
Agreed. You have to search out the authentic stuff. 

My point was that most people don't even know that what they call "Chinese" food is a completely made up Americanized version of Chinese food and not authentic at all. 

Just as most people in this country think of the NY/NJ "Italian" food that has promulgated throughout the country as actually Italian, when it's a made up Americanized version of Italian food. 

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« Reply #989 on: December 03, 2021, 11:02:42 AM »
I'll take Italian over French any time.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #990 on: December 03, 2021, 11:03:19 AM »
I'd probably choose Italian if I could only eat that the rest of my life.

Don't tell my wife.

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #991 on: December 03, 2021, 11:09:14 AM »
i used to like most of you and consider y'all friends. @MikeDeTiger being the exception.

after reading some of the stuff you guys eat and how you eat it, i'm not so sure anymore. again, @MikeDeTiger being the exception. :)

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« Reply #992 on: December 03, 2021, 11:12:05 AM »
so, it's a fancy starch/carbs with cheese seasoned with salt and pepper?

Could just have a potato or hunk of bread
or rice!!!
Done right, it's pasta with a rich creamy sauce that you'd swear had cream or other ingredients in it, but it doesn't. Amazingly simple, but sublime. 

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« Reply #993 on: December 03, 2021, 11:12:27 AM »
I'll take Italian over French any time.
I'd probably choose Italian if I could only eat that the rest of my life.

Don't tell my wife.

I'd choose Italian if I'm the one cooking, and French if a chef's doing all the dirty work. :)

I'd definitely choose French wine and cheese above all others.

 

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