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OrangeAfroMan

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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #700 on: November 28, 2021, 06:22:41 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 28, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
In response that one conference was shit.UM wouldn't go undefeated there IMO,just like Cinci wouldn't
Idk where going undefeated came from....but okay.

But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021.  He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone.  He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably.  
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #701 on: November 28, 2021, 06:28:19 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on November 28, 2021, 06:15:24 PM
In response that one conference was shit.UM wouldn't go undefeated there IMO,just like Cinci wouldn't
The Big 12 is shit.

LOL, here, in my first moment of researching the Big 12 from 2015 (Harbaugh's first year) to now, revealed everything you need to know.
7 bowl teams, going 3-4.  But win or lose, EVERY opponent scored at least 37 points against them.  Jesus Christ. 
Their 3 wins were by an average of 6 points.
Their 4 losses were by an average of 25 points.
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I'll continue, but this was an orgy of evidence I had to share right away.
2016 - 6 bowl teams went 4-2 and played decent defense overall.  Good job.  Although it COULD have something to do with not getting anyone into the playoff.
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2017 - 8 bowl teams, going 5-3.  They show they can score, as all but 2 Big 12 teams put up 30+ points.  
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2018 - 7 bowls, going 4-3.  But their top team (OU) loses again in the playoff.  
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2019 - uh oh....1-5 in bowls.  The Big 12 seems like a 1-trick pony, with OU winning it every year, then losing annually in the playoff.  Aside from Texas coming up with 2 upsets in a row, it's not a strong case.
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2020 - Success!  5-0!!!  Great showing!  Buuuuut, no playoff representative.  
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22-19 in bowls.  Zero playoff wins.  4 appearances, all by the same team.  And if all of this isn't convincing, don't forget Kansas is in this conference.  
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #702 on: November 28, 2021, 06:31:06 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2021, 06:22:41 PM
Idk where going undefeated came from....but okay.

But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021.  He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone.  He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably. 
In your opinion The Sooners run a high octane offense that gave Harbaighs teams fits.Not sure JH has won the last game of the year - maybe once.So theory and not a strong one.UM is 4-10 vs MSU the last 14 seasons so that's proof in your opinion they win the Big 12 at least twice?
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #703 on: November 28, 2021, 06:36:49 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2021, 06:22:41 PM
Idk where going undefeated came from....but okay.

But we all know if UM was in the Big 12, Harbaugh wouldn't have been in the hot seat entering 2021.  He wouldn't have been 0-6 vs anyone.  He'd have a couple of conference titles, probably. 
we don't all know this

Harbaugh could easily have been 0-6 vs the Sooners, if they were his rival
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #704 on: November 28, 2021, 06:36:52 PM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on November 28, 2021, 04:32:52 PM

OU leaving for the SEC is why he's leaving. He does not want to go 7-5/8-4 in the SEC then get on the hot-seat. He flips the scrip and starts to wins 10-11 games a year at USC after taking over an awful program in a weak Pac, they'll build statues for him.
Dot, you're making him sound smart as hell.

So let's say the culture shock isn't quite so bad. Let's say he doesn't bump Oklahoma up two levels, but they end up a 9-3/10-2 program, about a win per year worse than now. That'll hold for a bit, but eventually people will ask why he's not more consistently beating Bama or playing Bama in the conference title game. They're Oklahoma, after all. 

Simply put, Oklahoma should be, at best, at the low end of the SEC's top class. If that's the case, folks will get unhappy it isn't as winning as before. So you trade that to live in LA, try to jump start a dormant program with a high ceiling, and if it fails, well, you get fired like you would have at Oklahoma (and you get some leash LSU won't give you).

In the end, they're all hired to be fired. Some grind to the buyout, some look ahead and beat the posse out of town. Buzz Williams had a great bit on that, leaving before they tire of you. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #705 on: November 28, 2021, 06:39:58 PM »
Not all are hired to be fired. Ferentz, Gundy and Wittingham have all been where they are forever, and each made it to their CCG this year. Not one has done enough to necessitate a statue either. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #706 on: November 28, 2021, 06:47:11 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2021, 03:59:29 PM
Yeah.....we won that game.
And the locker room celebration proved it.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #707 on: November 28, 2021, 06:49:07 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on November 28, 2021, 06:39:58 PM
Not all are hired to be fired. Ferentz, Gundy and Wittingham have all been where they are forever, and each made it to their CCG this year. Not one has done enough to necessitate a statue either.
3rd class programs

Riley wasn't interested
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #708 on: November 28, 2021, 06:54:02 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2021, 06:28:19 PM
The Big 12 is shit.

LOL, here, in my first moment of researching the Big 12 from 2015 (Harbaugh's first year) to now, revealed everything you need to know.
7 bowl teams, going 3-4.  But win or lose, EVERY opponent scored at least 37 points against them.  Jesus Christ. 
Their 3 wins were by an average of 6 points.
Their 4 losses were by an average of 25 points.
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I'll continue, but this was an orgy of evidence I had to share right away.
Did you stop at 2015 or did you keep going?
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #709 on: November 28, 2021, 06:58:03 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on November 28, 2021, 06:54:02 PM
Did you stop at 2015 or did you keep going?
See above.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #710 on: November 28, 2021, 07:00:39 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 28, 2021, 06:49:07 PM
3rd class programs

Riley wasn't interested
That explains why Florida wasn't on his radar. 
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #711 on: November 28, 2021, 07:01:12 PM »
That was shit not the conference,throwing shyt against the wall hoping it sticks is not evidence of anything
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #712 on: November 28, 2021, 07:02:18 PM »
SEC  41-25 in bowls since 2015.
B1G  27-24
ACC  27-33
PAC  17-24

Wow, I was totally wrong.  The Big 12 is merely average.  Silly me.
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Re: Coaching changes
« Reply #713 on: November 28, 2021, 07:02:32 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on November 28, 2021, 06:58:03 PM
See above.
That's what has been discussed.Throwing shyt against the wall hoping it sticks is not evidence of anything
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