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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #210 on: December 20, 2020, 06:51:45 PM »
Quote from: Kris60 on December 20, 2020, 09:10:39 AM
I agree Ohio St is in easy. I feel really queasy about putting them with a 6-0 record while some of these other teams have played 10 or 11 games but they are benefitting from the fact that no one outside of Bama and Clemson looks playoff caliber. If the committee had a 10-0 Oklahoma, or A&M had at least played Bama tough, or ND stayed with Clemson I think they would consider leaving Ohio St out, but everyone else’s warts puts Ohio St in.

I predict the 4th spot goes to ND but I would give it to Oklahoma if I were a one man committee.  They have the conference championship. They have two close early season losses but avenged one of them.  They have 3 ranked wins in Iowa St, Texas, and Ok St and they avoid potential rematches of blowouts in either the semis or title game.
Some day, a 2-loss team will get in the CFP, but never was going to be Oklahoma in 2020.  Had OU held on to win either of those two games, it's probably in.  The Committee seems to like OU, despite the winless record (so far) in the CFP.  But not this year, with those two losses.
I think that OU might be the 4th-best team, but the whole season counts, and those two losses don't go away.
I have concluded that winning your conference championship should be a pre-requisite to playing in the CFP.  Notre Dame: Join a conference or be left out.  We'd be glad to welcome you as the 11th team in the Big 12.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #211 on: December 20, 2020, 06:55:53 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 20, 2020, 12:27:59 PM
Ugh.  aggies or sooners for that 4th spot.  It's like choosing between roasting in hell, or listening to Kirk Herbstreit 24/7 for ten years.  Wait, those are the same thing...

Come on committee, do what your ESPN overlords bid you to do-- put in Notre Dame for the TV ratings.  You know you want to!
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #212 on: December 20, 2020, 06:58:16 PM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on December 20, 2020, 12:47:24 PM
Of course

But why does it ALWAYS have to be directed at the Big?  Is that the only thing that gets clicks?
For the same reason that the zebras always make bad calls against us and always make tough--but correct--calls against our opponents.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #213 on: December 20, 2020, 07:00:05 PM »
Quote from: MrNubbz on December 20, 2020, 01:09:04 PM
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« Reply #214 on: December 20, 2020, 07:03:28 PM »
How about if he simply uses his name, image and likeness in order to sell Extenze? 
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« Reply #215 on: December 20, 2020, 07:15:22 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 03:31:58 PM
I agree with that in professional sports. But college basketball has a system designed to give smaller teams a chance, and it's playoff system is the most popular in American sports. College football doesn't need to completely copy it - the regular season should be important. But there is a happy medium that makes more teams and leagues part of the process.

Cincinnati is actually ahead of ND on SP+. They never had any shot of being in the playoffs.
The CBB regular-season has become near-meaningless.
We haven't really defined what we want the playoff to accomplish.  Is it to determine the best team, or to crown a national champion, even if not the (by eye test) best team.  Or is it to give as many teams as possible access to the process?
We know--as surely as we know that Alabama is one of the best teams--that Cincinnati is not one of the best teams.  If we know that in advance, which we do, then what is the objective in expanding the playoff to ensure that a team like Cincinnati gets in?
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« Reply #216 on: December 20, 2020, 07:21:09 PM »
Quote from: MaximumSam on December 20, 2020, 04:51:33 PM
We want the best teams, not the teams that played the best schedule.
Do you think that Cincinnati is one of the four best teams?
If so, would you have thought that Tulsa was top-4 had Cincy gotten that last-play FG blocked and Tulsa had won in OT?  After all, Tulsa's only loss then would have been to Oklahoma State, a better team than any Cincy played.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #217 on: December 20, 2020, 07:22:30 PM »
UC might well beat an unmotivated UGA, just as UT did a while back.

And UCF beat Auburn.

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« Reply #218 on: December 20, 2020, 07:24:51 PM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on December 20, 2020, 07:03:28 PM
How about if he simply uses his name, image and likeness in order to sell Extenze?
Did they put you in the rubber room again?
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« Reply #219 on: December 20, 2020, 07:51:33 PM »
Has a G5 team EVER beaten a P5 team who was in the top 10 AND hadn't just lost it's chance at a national championship/playoff appearance their previous game?

Ever? 

Utah beat an Alabama team that had lost out on it's NC goal the game before.
UCF beat an Auburn team in the same situation. 
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In other words, has a P5 team ever beaten a top 10 P5 team with it's season goals still in play?  This might be the reason against an expanded playoff/Cincinnati situation that seems so inherent to me.
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« Reply #220 on: December 20, 2020, 07:53:37 PM »
You could say App State, but that was week 1.  Those are the least-accurate rankings possible.  
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #221 on: December 20, 2020, 07:55:02 PM »
Quote from: CWSooner on December 20, 2020, 07:15:22 PM
The CBB regular-season has become near-meaningless.
We haven't really defined what we want the playoff to accomplish.  Is it to determine the best team, or to crown a national champion, even if not the (by eye test) best team.  Or is it to give as many teams as possible access to the process?
We know--as surely as we know that Alabama is one of the best teams--that Cincinnati is not one of the best teams.  If we know that in advance, which we do, then what is the objective in expanding the playoff to ensure that a team like Cincinnati gets in?
Well, the answer is - what is the point of the playoffs at all?  If it is to simply have the "best" teams, then quite obviously there should just be a game between Alabama and Clemson.  Of course, we could have avoided the entire season, had those two teams play one game, and call it a day.  It would have gotten us to the same point.

The other option on a playoff is providing an opportunity for every team to earn their way in.  Cincinnati has no meaningful way to earn their way in, no matter how good they are.  Do we want the postseason to be the result of what is earned on the field, or something else?  Right now, something else is a big winner.  Having teams earn their way in provides games that mean something to the winner.  That provides more reason for players to play, which is good, and more entertainment for fans, which is good.  While I understand not wanting to cheapen the regular season, there is something to be said for making the regular season more meaningful by making the games mean something.
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Re: Championship Week (and Other Things)
« Reply #222 on: December 20, 2020, 07:58:04 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on December 20, 2020, 07:51:33 PM
Has a G5 team EVER beaten a P5 team who was in the top 10 AND hadn't just lost it's chance at a national championship/playoff appearance their previous game?

Ever? 

Utah beat an Alabama team that had lost out on it's NC goal the game before.
UCF beat an Auburn team in the same situation. 
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In other words, has a P5 team ever beaten a top 10 P5 team with it's season goals still in play?  This might be the reason against an expanded playoff/Cincinnati situation that seems so inherent to me.
I find this a very weird and self-defeating goal.  We can't include G5 because they aren't good enough, and we also shouldn't count games where they beat a national championship contender.  Of course the teams at the very top of the P5 are very good, and have a lot of advantages.  The issue isn't so much that this dichotomy exists, because of course it does.  The issue is you are saying the games shouldn't even be played, despite strong evidence that you reference that great G5 teams can play with great P5 teams.
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« Reply #223 on: December 20, 2020, 08:02:35 PM »
Quote from: utee94 on December 20, 2020, 02:55:21 PM
Proving it ON THE FIELD.  Indeed.  Important choice of words there.

And the other teams being compared against tOSU played almost double the number of games.  You know, ON THE FIELD.

Questioning whether or not tOSU is worthy based on ON THE FIELD results, this year, isn't something crazy.  It's completely valid. 

Acting like it's NOT valid, is born of bias and/or homerism.

All that said, I think it's fine they got in.  They're likely one of the 4 best teams.  But THIS year, they didn't really prove that ON THE FIELD.
so, proving it on the field also pertains to the past playoffs.. I know, it's supposed to be based on THIS season only, but we all know better.  last season's playoff loss to Clemson by 6 points proved on the field that they belonged.  Ohio State's wins over Bama and Oregon in 2014 still carry weight.  maybe they shouldn't but we know they do.

this season only??? the Bucks have wins over #14 Northwestern, #11 Indiana, Penn St. and the other 3 wins vs Big Ten teams were blow outs.  What team that was left out proved more on the field?  Do A&M, OU, or Cincy have more than 2 wins over top 15 teams??? and 3 other wins vs P5 opponents that were blowouts?
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