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me too

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Oh no! did Harvey Weinstein or Bill Clinton touch ya in the naughty place? 

it's a sick joke

they KNOW they'll NEVER win it

they simply want a share of the $$$

it's always about the $$$

I thought most here were against a welfare state....

It's not a welfare state. It's a mutually beneficial arrangement. If they didn't want to be FBS, it's not like they'd have to shutter their football programs. They could drop down to FCS. They remain FBS because there's an advantage to them. 

And no, they're never going to win it. They were never going to win it in the past either. 

But the situation when this was all just a beauty pageant was, well, all just a beauty pageant. Kent State was never going to win the national championship, but nobody was excluding them from it. They just never would have gotten any votes. 

But instead, we had to have an "objective" and "settle it on the field" national champion. And so we constructed a system which structurally excluded half the sport from the ability to play for the championship and "settle it on the field". 

Letting G5 into the game at least gives them a path, however hopeless it might be, to play for the championship. 

I also understand that it's a simple math problem.  Even if you have a 90% chance of beating the 12 seed and a 70% chance of beating the "worse" 4 seed, you're down to a 63% chance of winning both. 
We've had a bifurcated system since 1985.
Giving them a longshot opportunity is the same as pretending they're all in the same group.  The big, fat lie has not changed, even with inclusion.

Give me Liberty's path to the NC from last year.  13-0.  Top G5 champ.  12 seed.
They played 8th-ranked Oregon and had a 10% chance of winning, based on the spread.  I don't care that they were utterly destroyed, that's not important right now. 
They had a 10% chance of winning.  Let's say they win.  They're very likely to play 2 teams better than Oregon after that, if they win.
Lets be SUPER conservative and give them a 7% chance of beating an Alabama team and a 5% chance at beating someone like Michigan.
Congratulations, G5 programs!  Welcome to the party.  You are IN the dance!
Your NC chances are......0.035%!  Get after it, guys!!!!  Way better than no chance if you were left out! 
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It's a sick joke.  It's honestly insulting.  It's like allowing an insistent toddler into a hurdles race.  It's mean.  It's allowing them in just to say you allowed them in.  There is no universe in which a G5 team wins the NC now, which is the same as with the 4-team playoff.  The outcome is no different, and so the big, fat lie may persist.

There is what, 130 some FBS teams?  Realistically, about 5 or 6 have a chance at actually winning it all.  It isn’t about if they can win it.  It’s just about giving them a path.  They could change it to the top 12 teams without autobids and you would still be including teams that can’t win it.

If it’s just about including teams that can realistically win it we can play the regular season, not worry about the results, and just throw those teams into the playoff.

Your argument about it being borderline cruel or insulting would hold more weight if they wait felt like that, but they feel the exact opposite.  They want to be included and I don’t think the event suffers if they are.  It’s actually enhanced.  Most years the 5 is going to put out the 12, whether the 12 is a G5 or the 5th team from the SEC or Big Ten.  And no one will really remember or care.

But if the 12 upsets the 5 that is a much bigger story for the sport if it’s Liberty than if it’s Florida (or Texas, or Wisconsin, etc.). If Florida would beat a 5 seed and then go on to lose in the QF or SF how big a deal is that to you as a Florida fan?  How memorable is it nationally?

If a school like Liberty does that it instantly becomes the biggest win in school history and is recounted by generations of fans.  It’s remembered nationally and highlights are shown every year a G5 plays a blue blood in the playoffs.  It’s a huge story.  In the end, what does it really hurt to include them?

Fuck Cinderella. 

So under the old system they couldn't win a NC.
In this inclusion system, they can't win a NC.

How about they form their own division so that they CAN win a NC?!?

There's enough of them.  No more $$$ games where you get destroyed for cash.  You fill your schedule with teams on the same plane, the same universe as you. 

Bad idea.  Terrible.  What am I thinking!?!

Fuck Cinderella. 

So under the old system they couldn't win a NC.
In this inclusion system, they can't win a NC.

How about they form their own division so that they CAN win a NC?!?

There's enough of them.  No more $$$ games where you get destroyed for cash.  You fill your schedule with teams on the same plane, the same universe as you. 

Bad idea.  Terrible.  What am I thinking!?!

They were in a division where they had a better chance to win a NC.  They voluntarily chose to make the jump to FBS.  Why does that bother you?