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Topic: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?

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Kris60

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2024, 10:07:56 AM »
Okay, so 2,3,6,and 7 don't have to face the #1 team until the championship game.  Easiest path. 
This is silly.
lol.  Dude, all we are discussing is an anomaly in the setup of this particular format. There is a really good chance that every season the 5 seed could be quite a bit better than the 4 seed (and maybe even the 3 seed). There is also a pretty good chance the 4 seed could be worse than several teams seeded below them.

It’s just unusual when it comes to tournaments.  It’s worthy of a discussion.  So far, your opinion that it isn’t puts you on an island.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2024, 10:16:01 AM »
It's an interesting anomaly, to me.  Otherwise, I would post on the thread.

We all know we'll have "unusual" situations arise due to the way 1-4  and 5-12 get selected.  Team 4 may well be pretty weak fairly often.  Team 12 may be a real pastry at times.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #30 on: July 23, 2024, 10:20:17 AM »
I agree with the potential advantages and disadvantages.  Take last year, FSU or UGA would have been a five seed, playing Podunk U at home.  UGA or an unwounded FSU would have their starters out early in the third probably.  Nice tune up with some possibility of a key injury.  Then you go to a "neutral site" to play #4 who could well be some 10-3 Big 12 champion who perhaps is a "TCU" kind of program.  If you win that one of course it gets real.
IMHO, if there had been a 12-team playoff last year, FSU would have been #3 followed by Texas at #4 and Bama at #5.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #31 on: July 23, 2024, 10:21:40 AM »
It’s hard to go back at previous years to prove the point because the conferences were constructed differently.  You have to project forward.  But it isn’t hard to imagine a scenario like this.

1. Georgia 13-0 (CFP rank #1)
2. Michigan 12-1 (CFP rank #2)
3. Clemson 13-0 (CFP rank #3)
4. Ok St 10-3 (CFP rank #15)
5. Alabama 12-1 (CFP rank #4)
6. Ohio St 12-1 (CFP rank #5)
7. Oklahoma 11-1 (CFP rank #6)
8. Oregon 11-1 (CFP rank #7)
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12. James Madison 12-1 (CFP rank #23)

You think there is a possibility Georgia, Michigan, and Clemson are looking at Bama’s draw and thinking playing an extra game AT HOME against JMU might not be a bad trade off to get Ok St in the Quarters?  Maybe, maybe not, but it’s an interesting thought.
This, exactly!

#5 Bama's draw is the weakest two teams then #1 in the semi-final.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #32 on: July 23, 2024, 10:21:55 AM »
Note the "NO RESEEDING" comment they felt they needed to add.
That is key

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #33 on: July 23, 2024, 10:22:22 AM »
yes, the #5 seed might be at an advantage over the #4 and maybe the #3 seed, but............ it's because they were a top 5 team, maybe top 3.

They earned it on the field, so I'm good with it.

I'm also good with giving a conference champ the #4 seed with a couple losses
as long as that conference is the Big Ten or the SEC.
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #34 on: July 23, 2024, 10:22:49 AM »
At the end of a 12 or 13-game season, no, you do not want to play an extra game.  C'mon, people.
You of all people should understand that if that extra game is at home against JMU it isn't a problem, it is a scrimmage. 

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #35 on: July 23, 2024, 10:25:39 AM »
Okay, then it's weird that so many here insisted on including a G5 program in the playoff only to now refer to it as a layup or tune-up game.

Why include them, if that's the case?
Because if you don't include them, then you have a bifurcated system where the G5 have no legitimate opportunity to EVER play for the national championship. 

So you have to either find a way to at least give them a long shot opportunity, or you have to split the big boy conferences off officially and not keep this system where we pretend they're all in the same group. What you shouldn't do is lie and say they're all have the same opportunity when you have a structural impediment to half of the teams ever having any opportunity at all.  

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #36 on: July 23, 2024, 10:32:33 AM »
This is just a temporary thing until the CFP expands to 14 or 16 teams some day.

If the CFP expands to 14,   you could just have the top 2 conference champions get byes.   Then seed #3 through #14 based on CFP ranking.  At that point, there is a clear advantage to being the #1 seed. 

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #37 on: July 23, 2024, 10:37:39 AM »
Because if you don't include them, then you have a bifurcated system where the G5 have no legitimate opportunity to EVER play for the national championship.

So you have to either find a way to at least give them a long shot opportunity, or you have to split the big boy conferences off officially and not keep this system where we pretend they're all in the same group. What you shouldn't do is lie and say they're all have the same opportunity when you have a structural impediment to half of the teams ever having any opportunity at all. 
And if you leave them out you get anti-trust actions and Congressional interference. 

@OrangeAfroMan , I'm completely in agreement with you on the facts but as a practical matter they cannot be excluded.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #38 on: July 23, 2024, 11:38:53 AM »
yes, the #5 seed might be at an advantage over the #4 and maybe the #3 seed, but............ it's because they were a top 5 team, maybe top 3.

They earned it on the field, so I'm good with it.

I'm also good with giving a conference champ the #4 seed with a couple losses
as long as that conference is the Big Ten or the SEC.
Yeah, but the 1 and 2 seeds earned it on the field too but in my scenario they are clearly getting tougher draws in the QF.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2024, 11:46:37 AM »
Okay, then it's weird that so many here insisted on including a G5 program in the playoff only to now refer to it as a layup or tune-up game.

Why include them, if that's the case?
The nature of sport, mostly. 

Access is good and healthy and at a low cost. 

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #40 on: July 23, 2024, 11:50:33 AM »
them's the breaks

it's a scenario.  It could happen.

I don't think Georgia wants to throw the game vs Bama to give themselves another game and a shot at Okie St.

if you're good enuff to beat #5 seed Bama, yer probably not too worried about #8 Oregon
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #41 on: July 23, 2024, 12:28:28 PM »
I’d actually like to see them go to on campus sites until the championship game.

 

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