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Topic: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?

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Cincydawg

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #70 on: July 24, 2024, 09:35:35 AM »
Good point, though you have the NBA as a factor in bball.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #71 on: July 24, 2024, 09:36:05 AM »
too bad T. Boone Pickens isn't here with us

right, Okie St.?
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #72 on: July 24, 2024, 10:05:44 AM »
Good point, though you have the NBA as a factor in bball.
That's true. You can only keep the best of the best around a year before they want to enter the draft, and that makes putting together a cohesive roster that can, and cares to, play together, difficult. 

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #73 on: July 24, 2024, 11:00:09 AM »
I'd simply rename the thread 5 > 4 or something like that.  The 5 seed will very often be better than the 4 seed, sure.  But there is absolutely no advantage to playing an extra game.  
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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #74 on: July 24, 2024, 11:30:31 AM »
Give me Liberty's path to the NC from last year.  13-0.  Top G5 champ.  12 seed.
They played 8th-ranked Oregon and had a 10% chance of winning, based on the spread.  I don't care that they were utterly destroyed, that's not important right now. 
They had a 10% chance of winning.  Let's say they win.  They're very likely to play 2 teams better than Oregon after that, if they win.
Lets be SUPER conservative and give them a 7% chance of beating an Alabama team and a 5% chance at beating someone like Michigan.
Congratulations, G5 programs!  Welcome to the party.  You are IN the dance!
Your NC chances are......0.035%!  Get after it, guys!!!!  Way better than no chance if you were left out! 
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It's a sick joke.  It's honestly insulting.  It's like allowing an insistent toddler into a hurdles race.  It's mean.  It's allowing them in just to say you allowed them in.  There is no universe in which a G5 team wins the NC now, which is the same as with the 4-team playoff.  The outcome is no different, and so the big, fat lie may persist.
I absolutely agree with everything you typed above but, as I've said about 10,000 times:
The threat of congressional intervention (which is bullshit) makes it no choice.
This is the problem.  

No matter what any of us think from a football/competition standpoint, it makes no difference.  If the G5 are not provided with an opportunity, the sport will face either anti-trust scrutiny or Congressional intervention, or both.  

Every time you ( @OrangeAfroMan ) address this, you give me "Football" reasons THAT I AGREE WITH.  Those are irrelevant to the situation because the G5 isn't being included for "Football" reasons, they are being included for political/legal reasons.  

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #75 on: July 24, 2024, 11:37:13 AM »
They're hanging on for the same reason that Purdue is hanging on in the B1G... The checks keep cashing.
I LoL'ed at this.  It is literally the only thing driving this.  

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #76 on: July 24, 2024, 11:38:52 AM »
With NIL it's not completely inconceivable that a G5 team could build a championship roster. Like if BYU hadn't joined the Big 12, and if their parent church or a bunch of rich donors decided to go all in and bankroll every good player in the country. Unlikely, but no longer unimaginable.
Same as @FearlessF , I immediately thought of T Boone Pickens when I read this.  I think it IS a possibility.  Maybe some mega-billionaire is a fan/alum of the University of Wyoming.  We *COULD* see the Wyoming Cowboys (I think they are the Cowboys) competing with the blue bloods for talent.  

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #77 on: July 24, 2024, 12:10:43 PM »
Same as @FearlessF , I immediately thought of T Boone Pickens when I read this.  I think it IS a possibility.  Maybe some mega-billionaire is a fan/alum of the University of Wyoming.  We *COULD* see the Wyoming Cowboys (I think they are the Cowboys) competing with the blue bloods for talent. 
I do have a quibble with this. People do things for money all the time. However, people often don't like being viewed as doing things for money. 

If I'm a blue-chip recruit and I know I can get $1.5M in NIL money at Bama, or OSU, or USC, or Texas, that's pretty good. If I'm getting $1.6M to go to Wyoming? I'll be viewed as doing it for the money. Why would I do that? Is that $100K really willing to stake my reputation on? Even if I'm a dumb 18-year-old athlete? 

I'm not sure. Wyoming in that scenario is going to have be offering stupid money, like $2.5M or $3M to get that athlete because the minute an athlete goes to Wyoming, everyone KNOWS it's for the money. So the money better be good enough to be worth it. 

Not to switch streams here, but we've seen the same thing over the last couple of years in golf. A Saudi-financed upstart league called LIV appeared and tried to attract the PGA Tour's stars with higher prize money and large contracts. We're talking 9 figures for some of the big names. Mid 8 figures for guys who can't reasonably justify that value. They got some players, and those players all had to immediately start tap dancing around the fact that they were doing it for the money with platitudes about how it was "growing the game", or how the new team format was "exciting". But all the fans know it's the money. All the fans know they sold out. Doesn't necessarily mean we blame them for doing it, but we don't believe a WORD of their excuses. It was for the money, and nothing else. 

It would be the same thing taking a big NIL check to go to Wyoming. Everyone knows it's about the money, so the money had BETTER be good enough to withstand the criticism you'll get for it. 

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #78 on: July 24, 2024, 12:10:46 PM »
But there is absolutely no advantage to playing an extra game. 
This reminds me of many mbot posts.  A declaration with extra emphasis by him, usually, that THIS is the TRUTH and any discussion is unwarranted.

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Re: CFP Format- Why #5 Is An Advantage
« Reply #79 on: July 24, 2024, 01:00:16 PM »
Speaking of NIL, is it conceivable that elite players will eschew the draft as juniors because they can make more money in college than in the NFL?  Carson Beck famously is staying another year, NIL is clearly a factor.

Could we see a time when a college player makes more than he would in the NFL?  (Aside from players who are not NFL material for whatever reason.)

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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #80 on: July 24, 2024, 02:49:04 PM »
This reminds me of many mbot posts.  A declaration with extra emphasis by him, usually, that THIS is the TRUTH and any discussion is unwarranted.
Again, it's simple math.   I'm not sure what else you want here.  
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #81 on: July 24, 2024, 03:02:43 PM »
I prefer DISCUSSION over someone who just jumps in repeatedly with the same assertion of what is TRUTH, with zero discussion.

Of course, DISCUSSION, the exchange of ideas and thoughts, can be nuanced and difficult.

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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #82 on: July 24, 2024, 04:11:13 PM »
I prefer DISCUSSION over someone who just jumps in repeatedly with the same assertion of what is TRUTH, with zero discussion.

Of course, DISCUSSION, the exchange of ideas and thoughts, can be nuanced and difficult.
Agreed.
But this is not one of those times, lol.  

Are you against math?  
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Re: CFP Format- The Best 5 seeds in Recorded History?
« Reply #83 on: July 24, 2024, 04:18:47 PM »
Last year's UGA was probably the best 5-seed....or possibly 83 Miami.  I want to say 77 ND was a 5-seed.  I'd have to look it up. 
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Ah shit, am I discussing this?  With nuance and difficulty!??
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