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Brutus Buckeye

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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #14 on: May 24, 2022, 08:27:46 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2022, 05:43:30 PM
I could've sworn someone already posted about this.  They even put something out there and asked for edits.  :93:
Yeah, but that one was kind of lame. This one is much better. 
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #15 on: May 24, 2022, 11:42:49 PM »
With so much hatred for me, how do you have any room to hate the gays, BLM, and what not?
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #16 on: May 25, 2022, 07:15:03 AM »
To me geography is not important anymore - especially for football and hoops. It just isn't. Maybe it's because I don't go to games anymore, not sure. If we are going to have schools be a million miles apart (why?!?!?), then the matchups need to make sense.
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #17 on: May 25, 2022, 09:38:56 AM »
geography is important to rivalries

programs that share a state border or share a state should play each other

don't worry at all about all teams playing each other regularly

if Nebraska didn't ever play Rutgers or Maryland, what would it hurt?
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #18 on: May 25, 2022, 10:06:39 AM »
Wisconsin borders Illinois, Iowa, Minnesota and Michigan. 

That makes NU, UI, Iowa, MN, MSU and UM. I like that.

There's 6 games. Who are the others to add to the schedule? I'd say Indiana, Purdue and OSU.

Sounds like a pre-PSU Big Ten to me.
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #19 on: May 25, 2022, 10:35:31 AM »
see, this could be an improvement if done properly

I have my doubts
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #20 on: May 25, 2022, 11:19:49 AM »
TV  networks posing as Conferences.  Geography be damned.  
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #21 on: May 25, 2022, 11:31:19 AM »
My God.  Cutting back to 8 conference games?  The Game not the final game of the season?  Lunacy.

How about the Big Ten goes to 10+ conference games and does away with the conference championship and instead gives everyone another game?
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #22 on: May 25, 2022, 11:35:43 AM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on May 24, 2022, 05:43:30 PM
I could've sworn someone already posted about this.  They even put something out there and asked for edits.  :93:
Sorry Fro, I did see your post but couldn't find it when I read an article about the B1G apparently dropping their future schedules on the website in what is a pretty clear indication that changes are in the works.  
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #23 on: May 25, 2022, 11:47:52 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on May 25, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
How about the Big Ten goes to 10+ conference games and does away with the conference championship and instead gives everyone another game?
the networks might like this
better content = better $$$
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #24 on: May 25, 2022, 12:47:17 PM »
So I did this chart for everyone:


Note:
The distances to/from do not exactly match because I used Google Maps and sometimes when you flip a trip it chooses a slightly different route.  Also I didn't turn off traffic and did this in bits and pieces over a few days so routes may have changed due to traffic at the time I was doing this.  I also excluded ferries even though Google recommended some because they are seasonal and not exactly comparable.  All in all I think it is close enough for approximations.  

Some notes:
The shortest trips between B1G Stadia:

  • 64 mi between M/MSU
  • 92 mi between IL/PU
  • 112/113 mi between IU/PU
  • 141 mi between PU/NU
  • 146 mi between NU/UW
  • 152/163 mi between IL/IU
  • 155 mi between IL/NU
  • 177 mi between UW/IA
  • 185/186 mi between tOSU/M
  • 193 mi between UMD/RU

There are five 1,000+ mi trips between B1G stadia.  The five involve the three easternmost schools (PSU, UMD, RU) and the two westernmost schools (UNL, MN).  The longest trips between B1G Stadia:
  • 1,287 mi between UNL/RU
  • 1,202/1,205 between UNL/UMD
  • 1,184/1,185 mi between MN/RU
  • 1,101/1,103 mi between MN/UMD
  • 1,075 mi between UNL/PSU
  • 989 mi between IA/RU
  • 973 mi between MN/PSU
  • 925/926 mi between UW/RU
  • 905 mi between IA/UMD
  • 842 mi between UW/UMD


Twelve of the 14 have at least one conference opponent within 200 miles.  The two exceptions:
  • Minnesota's closest conference opponent is Wisconsin, 267 mi away
  • Nebraska's closest conference opponent is Iowa, 303 mi away

Although Purdue has the shortest total combined distance to drive to each of the other 13 schools, Michigan State has the shortest longest trip at 727 mi to Nebraska while Purdue's longest trip is 751 mi to Rutgers which is also longer than Indiana's (734 to RU) and Michigan's (749 to Nebraska) longest trips.  

Combined distance to drive one-way to each of the 13 other schools in the league:
  • 4,766 from Purdue
  • 4,832 from Northwestern
  • 5,023 from Illinois
  • 5,185 from Michigan
  • 5,290 from Michigan State
  • 5,322 from Indiana
  • 5,448 from Ohio State
  • 5,699 from Wisconsin
  • 6,060 from Iowa
  • 7,428 from Penn State
  • 8,356 from Minnesota
  • 8,616 from Maryland
  • 9,394 from Nebraska
  • 9,681 from Rutgers


Note the BIG gap between Iowa and Penn State.  Iowa's total is closer to Purdue's than it is to Penn State's.  Ie, all of the pre-1990 members except Minnesota are reasonably close to everybody else but the numbers are a lot larger for PSU, MN, UMD, UNL, and RU.  
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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #25 on: May 25, 2022, 01:01:10 PM »
Quote from: Temp430 on May 25, 2022, 11:31:19 AM
My God.  Cutting back to 8 conference games?  The Game not the final game of the season?  Lunacy.

How about the Big Ten goes to 10+ conference games and does away with the conference championship and instead gives everyone another game?
On the league games issue:
As I've said before, I am conditionally for it.  The condition is that it is part of the rumored schedule alliance.  If we are replacing Minnesota with USC or Clemson on tOSU's schedule then I'm for it (I'd feel the same way if I were a Michigan fan although maybe sub Iowa for MN due to the little brown jug history).  OTOH, if we are replacing Minnesota with Directional Michigan then I'm against it.  

On moving THE GAME:
As an Ohio State fan and a lover of the history of THE GAME I get it, I truly do.  That said, I think you (and most everyone else) are trying to hold on to something that is already gone.  The biggest upset in the history of the series was in 1969 when #12 Michigan beat #1 Ohio State.  Ohio State was not just any "#1" they had been #1 in 13 straight polls dating back to when the beat Michigan the previous year (50-14) and the Buckeyes were the defending National Champions.  

That game was HUMONGOUS but the reasons for that just don't exist anymore:
  • There was no CG back then so this was the last game before bowls for both teams.  
  • The BigTen had a "Rose Only" rule for bowls so this was definitely the last game for at least one of the two.  
  • The BigTen had a "No repeat" rule back then so this was the last game for Ohio State no matter the outcome.  
  • There was no CFP back then so there was only one more possible game.  

That game, for Ohio State was for all of the following:
  • A win in THE GAME, of course.  
  • An Outright League Title.  
  • A National Championship (because the Buckeyes were #1 and would not play another game).  

Today that would be divided into at least four games:
  • The Game
  • The CG
  • The CFP Semi-Final
  • The CFP CG
Losing to Michigan in a similar situation would still suck but I wouldn't have to just stew over it for nine months until football started back up because there would be Ohio State games a week (if they made the CCG anyway) or a month (bowl) later.  In a similar situation today Ohio State could still potentially win the league and national championships.  Those would be REALLY good consolation prizes.  

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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #26 on: May 25, 2022, 03:56:27 PM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on May 25, 2022, 07:15:03 AM
To me geography is not important anymore - especially for football and hoops. It just isn't. Maybe it's because I don't go to games anymore, not sure. If we are going to have schools be a million miles apart (why?!?!?), then the matchups need to make sense.
I get it but I think the distinction you made between football and hoops and the other sports IS important.  Football and hoops are "revenue sports" meaning that they make money.  It obviously costs more to send Wisconsin's football team almost 1,000 mi to New Jersey to play Rutgers than it does to put them on busses and drive ~150 miles down to Chicago to play Northwestern but if UW/RU would bring better ratings that EASILY makes up for the cost difference.  

That, however, is absolutely NOT a factor for the non-revenue sports (everything other than FB and Men's BB).  For all of those the cost of shipping UW's teams to New Jersey is just plain dead weight because there is zero return.  

We could maximize profit by using two scheduling plans:
  • A plan based on maximizing revenue for the Revenue Sports, and
  • A plan based on minimizing costs for the non Revenue Sports.  

I would prefer, for continuity purposes, that we use more of a hybrid plan that does a reasonable job of accomplishing both goals.  

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Re: Assuming we are dropping divisions and going to eight league games
« Reply #27 on: May 25, 2022, 04:36:46 PM »
Quote from: FearlessF on May 25, 2022, 10:35:31 AM
see, this could be an improvement if done properly

I have my doubts
This is the problem with much of college football.....there are good ways to implement the inevitable change, but it seems that all too often, the decisions are made by some old guys in a room with no connection with the outside world (ie - those good ideas for implementation).  
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