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Topic: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game

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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #98 on: November 25, 2018, 10:45:24 AM »
Quote from: FearlessF on November 25, 2018, 10:40:22 AM
folks in the south don't like Harbaugh?
They mostly think he's an arrogant hind end of a donkey, seriously.  They don't much like Urban either.
But it does mean the Dawgs move to fourth, though that place could be temporary, and not really meaningful.
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #99 on: November 25, 2018, 10:48:14 AM »
yup, the Dawgs just need to beat Bammer

the rest doesn't matter

but, I understand the will to move up in the ranking

it's been a long time since Husker fans have been lucky enough to worry about this, but I'm old and I think I remember
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #100 on: November 25, 2018, 03:36:33 PM »
Hard to believe only 1 win in 15 years for UM. Cherish this buckeye fans, it’s never getting better than this.

These OSU WRs are just a fantastic bunch, no David Boston’s , but there’s 6 really good guys. Toss in 2 top notch RBS, and a decent TE and a guy that can distribute and that’s a tough offense to stop if they can protect Haskins which they did yesterday. 

The osu secondary still really struggled, but overall osu gave nothing easy for the most part, Patterson was forced from the pocket constantly , but he played a decent game, just not a great one. 

Blocked punt and ensuing Buckeyes score were absolute back breakers though , thst was what really swung the game.
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #101 on: November 25, 2018, 08:48:44 PM »
Amazing osu had 12 penalties for 150 yards and it didn’t kill them, Michigan had 7, what a flag fest.

One big one I can think of was UM going for it on 4th and 2 trailing 7-6 and getting a false start , and then punter jacked it in the end zone.

Both teams with horrible mistakes on kick returns, and obviously the blocked punt killed UM. 

I never heard what happened to bush, was it a concussion? Hope he’s alright , it looked pretty bad. 
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #102 on: November 25, 2018, 11:08:14 PM »
So do the cfb51 Michigan fans want OSU to get in, knowing that the Wolverines will go to the Rose Bowl?

Or do you want OSU to miss the playoffs, even though you'd get bumped out of Pasadena?
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #103 on: November 26, 2018, 05:22:27 AM »
I’m fine with whatever happens.  I dont see West Virginia beating Oklahoma at a neutral field if they couldn’t do it at home.  But if the Buckeyes tighten up their defense and clobber Northwestern decisively they may jump OU.  Assuming Alabama beats Georgia of course.
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #104 on: November 26, 2018, 06:16:15 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on November 26, 2018, 05:22:27 AM
I’m fine with whatever happens.  I dont see West Virginia beating Oklahoma at a neutral field if they couldn’t do it at home.  But if the Buckeyes tighten up their defense and clobber Northwestern decisively they may jump OU.  Assuming Alabama beats Georgia of course.
It's Texas v. OU
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #105 on: November 26, 2018, 01:38:47 PM »
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #106 on: November 26, 2018, 03:43:40 PM »
Quote from: Entropy on November 26, 2018, 01:38:47 PM
https://breakdownsports.blogspot.com/2018/11/coaching-points-michigan-vs-osu-2018.html

Interesting read..
Yes- Very 
Thank you for sharing.  I love the Xs and Os.
Your eyes can only catch so much at game speed. 
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #107 on: November 26, 2018, 05:27:56 PM »
Quote from: SuperMario on November 24, 2018, 05:50:33 PM
It’s just crazy to me that this rivalry has been anything but a rivalry since I lived overseas. 
It is weird, it has honestly been longer than you are even thinking.  It sorta felt like a contested rivalry from 1998-2003 because the two teams went 3-3 in those six years.  In retrospect, however, that was nothing more than the intersection of a period of Michigan's dominance with a period of Ohio State's dominance.  Right at the intersection it appeared that the rivalry was close but it really was not:
  • The first three years of that (1998-2000) Michigan went 2-1.  As it turned out, that was the end of their 10-2-1 run over John Cooper.  
  • The second half of that (2001-2003) Ohio State went 2-1.  As it turned out, that was the beginning of their ongoing post-Cooper run.  

Even Ohio State's surprise upset in 1987 could be excluded.  That was a surprise upset after Earle Bruce got fired.  Michigan won the two games prior to that.  If you include Bruce's last three games in with Cooper's 13, Michigan went 12-3-1 over the 16 years from 1985-2000.  Since then Ohio State has gone 16-2 with one win subsequently vacated for a total of 15-2 in 18 years.  

To get to a truly back-and-forth rivalry you have to go back to the early 1980's:
  • Ohio State won in 1984
  • Michigan won in 1983
  • Ohio State won two in 1981-82
  • Michigan won in 1980
  • Ohio State won in 1979
  • Michigan won three in 1976-78
  • Ohio State won two in 1974-75
  • The teams tied in 1973
  • Ohio State won in 1972
  • Michigan won in 1971
  • Ohio State won in 1970
  • Michigan won in 1969
  • Ohio State won two in 1967-1968
  • Michigan won in 1966
  • Ohio State won in 1965
  • Michigan won in 1964

For the 21 years from 1964-1984 Ohio State led 11-9-1 but neither team won more than three straight so it really was back-and-forth.  Since then it has not been anything like that.  Michigan dominated 1985-2000 by a count of 12-3-1 and since then Ohio State has dominated by a count of 15-2 (one additional tOSU win subsequently vacated).  
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #108 on: November 26, 2018, 05:40:54 PM »
I will say, what made it still feel more like a big rivalry, even while UM was dominating, was that for the second portion of that run, OSU was consistently the higher ranked team, only to have Michigan rise up and beat them.  Didn't UM knock them out of the national championship game like 4 times in a decade (93, 95, 96, 03)?  So while UM dominated the series, the fact that they were doing it for a period while being frequently the lower ranked team almost made it seem MORE like a rivalry.  While Ohio State has dominated the recent years, they've done it as the favorite almost exclusively, so it doesn't really have the same feel.
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #109 on: November 26, 2018, 05:49:22 PM »
Quote from: ELA on November 26, 2018, 05:40:54 PM
I will say, what made it still feel more like a big rivalry, even while UM was dominating, was that for the second portion of that run, OSU was consistently the higher ranked team, only to have Michigan rise up and beat them.  Didn't UM knock them out of the national championship game like 4 times in a decade (93, 95, 96, 03)?  So while UM dominated the series, the fact that they were doing it for a period while being frequently the lower ranked team almost made it seem MORE like a rivalry.  While Ohio State has dominated the recent years, they've done it as the favorite almost exclusively, so it doesn't really have the same feel.
Agreed, and you are right on the timeline.  From 1985-1991 Michigan was almost always the better team and almost always won.  Then we had the really weird 1992-1996 set where, IMHO, the better team went 0-4-1:
  • 1992 Michigan was better, tie
  • 1993 Ohio State was better, Michigan won
  • 1994 Michigan was better, Ohio State won
  • 1995 Ohio state was better, Michigan won
  • 1996 Ohio State was better, Michigan won

Then things settled down.  In 1997, 1999, and 2000 Michigan won as the better team.  Ohio State won as the better team in 1998.  

As an Ohio State fan, the 1993, 1995, and 1996 losses stung the worst.  Ohio State was clearly better all three years and lost anyway.  The 2003 loss was a bit different.  Like the other three, it did keep Ohio State out of a CG but it didn't sting as much because Michigan was a good team.  

Tressel's first win (2001) was obviously an upset but since then you are right, the better team has won almost every year.  
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Re: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
« Reply #110 on: November 26, 2018, 06:16:13 PM »
Don Brown’s scheme got exposed yet again vs a high flying offense just like it did last year vs Penn State. 

He relies on way too much man to man across the board. He continually puts safeties and linebackers in man coverage. Fine against Northwestern or Michigan State who don’t have the personnel to expose those matchups. Not so fine when you’re asking LB Mike McCray to man up Saquan Barkley or Josh Mettelus to man up Paris Campbell. 

If Brown’s DL doesn’t get constant pressure his scheme blows up in his face. That was the story of the game here. They get ZERO QB pressures and zero sacks and Haskins had all day to throw. You give a kid with his arm talent all day and play man coverages across the board he is going to carve you up.

Offense isn’t blameless. This offense is Stone Age. How you take 3 NFL receivers and make them after-thoughts is beyond me. Good idea Jim, pull one of them out for a walk-on WR, pull two of them out for TE’s. Run it up the gut with the fullback. Excellent play calling! 

Patterson and that passing attack could be so much better. They are hampered and limited by their coach. 

I’ve lost all faith in Jim. I think he was the guy to right the ship. I’m convinced he’s not the guy to get them over the hump and into the next level however. 
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« Reply #111 on: November 26, 2018, 06:27:08 PM »
Ya Brown didn't adjust - you have to try.But Schiano didn't either earlier in the year.ND certainly did when SC grabbed a 10-0 lead Sat.Nite,dropped some linemen sent an LB or two.Have to be creative and go with the flow.JH has made some decent hires but has to get rid of the deadwood,go out and get Kingsbury if possible.Supposedly Leach interested in returning to Tech
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