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Topic: #4 Michigan (8-1, 10-2) at #10 Ohio State (8-1, 11-1) Post Game
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Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #42 on:** November 19, 2018, 11:54:49 AM »

It's fluff, but it's about Don Brown, so it's a lot more tolerable:

http://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/25315597/michigan-defensive-coordinator-don-brown-took-long-road-wolverines

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Brown coaching from the field instead of the pressbox:
"He's really gifted at seeing things on the field," Harbaugh said. "Some coaches got to see it from the press box. Some got to wait until they see the film. He stands out to me as being really good, maybe the best I've ever been around that way."
Take last week against Rutgers. The Scarlet Knights' Isiah Pacheco, running out of a three-back set, went 80 yards for a touchdown. Wolverines defensive end Chase Winovich and free safety Tyree Kinnel both bit on a fake reverse, and Pacheco ran inside of them and right up the field. Brown moved his ends wider and put middle linebacker Devin Bush Jr. man-to-man on the tailback.
"They ran it two times for no gain," Bush said, "and they stopped running it."
"I mean, I can't think of any times where he gets hit with the same call twice," Harbaugh said. "Maybe once since he's been here."
Is that ability unusual? "Yeah, that is," Harbaugh said. "It's a gift."
If it's a gift, Brown thinks it is for 41 years of coaching, all but "a game or two" on the sideline.
"I tried it. I did not like it," Brown said of the press box. "I think I was at Dartmouth [1984-86]. I always felt like I was better off if I was there touching 'em ... I think the connection is important. As the coordinator, I think you're in the best position to help your guys translate information during the game, because it is your defense."

Brown on defensive identity:
Brown throws a lot at his players. On any Saturday they will be ready to play anywhere from 45 to 60 different schemes. Brown is mystified at the idea that the more complicated an offense, the more a defense should simplify. His experience has taught him just the opposite.
"I think you gotta be more complex, and make them [the offense] slow down, and make them evaluate where you're coming from," Brown said. "Nobody wants to run a bad play into a bad look. If you can find a way to get your guys lined up fast, in multiple looks, I think you got a chance. If you keep it simple, they'll beat you over the head with the simplicity."

Brown after a bad practice in the last month:
Two Wednesdays ago, the Wolverines defense did not have a good practice. Brown didn't like it.
"First thing he walked into the meeting room, he let us have it," Bush said. "He ripped us. Practice sucked, and he ripped us."
Nothing unusual in that. But it was what Brown said after he got through dressing his players down that Bush remembered.
"He said, 'I will never, ever, let you guys fall short of your goals, because what we're doing this season, what we got planned for the future, a practice like that cannot be acceptable,'" Bush said.

Anonymous Coward · « **Reply #43 on:** November 19, 2018, 11:56:50 AM »

Quote from: MaximumSam on November 19, 2018, 10:12:03 AM

Was feeling bad for Chase Winovich until I saw the shot of him stomping on the same guy who teed off on him. So, karma, I suppose. Any word on his injury?

Maybe he was stomping on him. Or maybe 72 moved his leg in the wrong way at the wrong time. And got unlucky. Because his leg does move like that just then. Hard to confirm either way. Both are reasonable, and we're not in his head to know.

MaximumSam · « **Reply #44 on:** November 19, 2018, 12:04:34 PM »

Quote from: Anonymous Coward on November 19, 2018, 11:56:50 AM

Maybe he was stomping on him. Or maybe 72 moved his leg in the wrong way at the wrong time. And got unlucky. Because his leg does move like that just then. Hard to confirm either way. Both are reasonable, and we're not in his head to know.

Maybe the Indiana guy tripped and fell on him

Temp430 · « **Reply #45 on:** November 19, 2018, 12:45:03 PM »

Coach Harbaugh said both the x-ray and CAT scan of Winovich were negative and that he felt Chase was in a good spot. I guess you can interpret that anyway you like. Also of concern is Michigan RT JBB who missed the Indiana game due to a "soft tissue" issue he's "working through." Let's hope he makes the trip to the snake pit.

FearlessF · « **Reply #46 on:** November 19, 2018, 12:51:51 PM »

Quote from: TyphonInc on November 19, 2018, 08:51:28 AM

Not Safe For Work, or breakfast with my little girls present.

was it an issue with the audio?
I'm not clicking on it.
But, at work I have the audio turned WAY down

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #47 on:** November 19, 2018, 12:56:08 PM »

Explicit lyrics.

MrNubbz · « **Reply #48 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:01:09 PM »

Michigan running back Karan Higdon added some fire to what was already the biggest rivalry in all of sports on Monday, guaranteeing a victory over Ohio State on Saturday.

Higdon was asked if he would go as far as to guarantee a Michigan victory over Ohio State, like his head coach Jim Harbaugh did back in 1986.

Higdon didn't shy away.

"Yeah, I do," Higdon said. "That's how I feel. I believe firmly in my brothers, and this team, and this coaching staff, and as a captain, I'll take that stand. Why not?"

FearlessF · « **Reply #49 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:04:09 PM »

why not?

HAH, that's obvious!

because, KARMA

TresselownsUM · « **Reply #50 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:04:56 PM »

Thank you mr Higdon , we’ll probably still lose but I’ll take any extra motivation at this point

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #51 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:36:26 PM »

Quote from: Cincydawg on November 19, 2018, 09:07:46 AM

Every team has a chance, but in my opinion, OSU has not nearly a 40% chance.

Everything has to go right for them I think.

Maryland had a "chance" last Saturday despite deeper odds.

I'm not sure about "everything", but close to it. Michigan is a better team. If they play at their ceiling they will win. Full stop.
If Michigan plays at their ceiling then how well Ohio State plays will only determine the margin of the defeat. However, I do believe that Michigan's floor is WELL below Ohio State's ceiling.
Unsurprisingly, both teams looked off last week. Michigan only beat Indiana by 11. This is an Indiana team that lost by 14 to MSU, by 23 to tOSU, and by 26 to Iowa. Ohio State barely survived Maryland in OT. This is a Maryland team that lost by 21 to both Michigan Schools and by 23 to Iowa.
As I see it:
Michigan's ceiling:
Michigan's ceiling is the PSU and Nebraska wins. If they play like that they win.
Michigan's floor:
Michigan's floor is the loss to Notre Dame, the close win over NU, the win over MSU, and the win over IU. If Michigan plays like that then the Buckeyes certainly can beat them. It is no guarantee that they will, but they can beat that team.
Ohio State's ceiling:
I'm not sure that we've seen it. Maybe the RU game but RU is so terrible that it is hard to tell. Maybe the MSU game, but I honestly think the Buckeyes could play better. If Ohio State plays at their ceiling Michigan will have their hands full.
Ohio State's floor:
Ohio State's floor is bad, really bad. The blowout loss to PU and needing OT to survive Maryland are not good. If Ohio State plays like this they would lose by three TD's even to a Michigan team playing at their own floor.

Cincydawg · « **Reply #52 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:38:47 PM »

All that goes to the percentage chances of winning. I'd have them at somewhere around 20%, maybe lower, which would imply a 10+ point differential. I've watched OSU a good bit this year and have NEVER seen an OSU team this weak at running the ball and on defense.

What does it take to win championships?

Brutus Buckeye · « **Reply #53 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:43:29 PM »

I kinda like OSU in the role of the underdog.

medinabuckeye1 · « **Reply #54 on:** November 19, 2018, 02:50:20 PM »

The biggest key to the game is turnovers and specifically turnovers by Michigan's offense. Ohio State's defense has had a horrible knack for giving up long plays. At times this season they have offset that with great positive plays (turnovers, sacks, TFL's, etc). I'd be pleasantly shocked if Ohio State managed to go 60 minutes without giving up a long play. That can't be expected. However, if Ohio State's much maligned Defense offsets the big plays that they probably will give up with some big positive plays then that washes out and we are back to simply comparing Ohio State's offense against Michigan's Defense.

When Ohio State has the ball I think the key is how they do in the Red Zone and, more generally, with scoring opportunities inside Michigan's 40. Michigan's defense is very good, scoring opportunities will be hard to come by. That said, Ohio State's offense isn't chopped liver, they will get at least some scoring opportunities. What Ohio State absolutely cannot afford is to have a day like the Purdue game where they get zero or three points more often than not.

In Ohio State's worst two games (Purdue, Maryland) they had multiple deep penetrations that resulted in no points. They barely survived that against Maryland and couldn't afford it against Purdue. The Buckeyes just can't afford that against Michigan.

Mdot21 · « **Reply #55 on:** November 19, 2018, 06:38:28 PM »

not sure I like Higdon opening his mouth like that. He's really not that type of guy, so it kinda took me by surprise.

Jim guaranteed a W against Ohio State back in the day when he was a player and then went out there and backed it up. Maybe he's taking a page out of coaches old playbook.

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