2023 Michigan Season Thread

[MrNubbz]

MSU did right thing in firing Tucker because he's truly a dogshit coach. Not because he was whacking off over the phone.

That would have been a great way to lead off SPORTSCENTER at the top of the hour

[SuperMario]

I appreciate that. As someone without a specific fan allegiance axe to grind, I'm just trying to look at it from a neutral perspective.

However, if you wanted to address the post, the stuff about "due process" was IMHO much more important than the respective fanbases spinning The Game's result re: sign stealing. As someone who has been pretty consistent talking about this desire for due process, I wanted to hear your thoughts about that. Do you think Michigan's entitlement to "due process" has actually been violated?

@betarhoalphadelta 

Sorry it took me a little time to get back to this because I wanted to think through your question.  It's honestly a great question to make someone take a step back and truly consider the circumstances. I think it's fair to say that at this point, it has not been violated. Harbaugh's first 3 games suspended were self-imposed by the University, so that due process cannot be questioned at all. The NCAA is still looking into it, so I'm not sure how anyone can complain about how it's being handled. Now, the circumstances can definitely be criticized about burgergate and communication to recruits during silent period, but the process of punishment cannot be argued imo.

The second three games is tough for Harbaugh and team from a public opinion standpoint, but you cannot complain about the NCAA violating due process. I also think if UM or fans have a complaint about the B1G, it's not necessarily due process, but about punishing the head coach for something he may not have been involved in. Yes, there is a responsibility with his position and role, but there are circumstances that punishing the head coach for other's actions is a little odd, but again, not necessarily a process issue.

I think it's fair to say that the B1G saw enough evidence that Stallions had crossed the line of a written rule. No matter what anyone thinks about the relevance of the 1994 rule, it was still a rule that needed to be followed and seemingly was not. It was a rule that seemingly was broken and could have impact on games played, so B1G saw it relevant to react quickly and seemingly had enough proof that at least one person on staff violated that rule, therefore immediate action had to be taken to punish the University, which meant Harbaugh as the figurehead. 

So the lengthy, probably too verbose response, is that due process was not violated.

[MrNubbz]

So the lengthy, probably too verbose response, is that due process was not violated.

Quit cursing in Latin you Bastage

[Mdot21]

Bruce Feldman saying he'd be surprised if Jeem was the HC next year...I've been thinking Jeem was 50/50 off to the NFL since before the scandal broke and once it did I started thinking 99.9% he off to the No Fun Leauge.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZelGD0XLck

[betarhoalphadelta]

@betarhoalphadelta

Sorry it took me a little time to get back to this because I wanted to think through your question.  It's honestly a great question to make someone take a step back and truly consider the circumstances. I think it's fair to say that at this point, it has not been violated. Harbaugh's first 3 games suspended were self-imposed by the University, so that due process cannot be questioned at all. The NCAA is still looking into it, so I'm not sure how anyone can complain about how it's being handled. Now, the circumstances can definitely be criticized about burgergate and communication to recruits during silent period, but the process of punishment cannot be argued imo.

The second three games is tough for Harbaugh and team from a public opinion standpoint, but you cannot complain about the NCAA violating due process. I also think if UM or fans have a complaint about the B1G, it's not necessarily due process, but about punishing the head coach for something he may not have been involved in. Yes, there is a responsibility with his position and role, but there are circumstances that punishing the head coach for other's actions is a little odd, but again, not necessarily a process issue.

I think it's fair to say that the B1G saw enough evidence that Stallions had crossed the line of a written rule. No matter what anyone thinks about the relevance of the 1994 rule, it was still a rule that needed to be followed and seemingly was not. It was a rule that seemingly was broken and could have impact on games played, so B1G saw it relevant to react quickly and seemingly had enough proof that at least one person on staff violated that rule, therefore immediate action had to be taken to punish the University, which meant Harbaugh as the figurehead.

So the lengthy, probably too verbose response, is that due process was not violated.

Thanks.

And I agree with the optics / public opinion. Even though the B1G tried to be clear they were punishing the program in general and not Harbaugh individually, it seems that most of the public opinion (from M supporters, M detractors, and the general public) was that Harbaugh was being punished. 

I'm not sure whether that result was a feature or a bug for Petitti, either, to be honest. 

[MrNubbz]

https://twitter.com/i/status/1731364733251444866

Michigan Fans finding out the draw

[FearlessF]

[Temp430]

Some of us think Michigan’s season became a total success when they beat the Buckeyes.  FSU would have been easier on paper but I’m fine with Michigan playing the SEC champion in the Rose Bowl.  Its all pure gravy at this point.

[Temp430]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Now I've been told: &quot;Breakthroughs in the last couple days. Things trending very positively.&quot;<br>Of course, we have heard that before. We know President Ono and the Regents want it done, Jim Stapleton doesn't, and the athletic department has dragged its feet. We'll see what happens</p>&mdash; John U. Bacon (@Johnubacon) <a href="
https://twitter.com/Johnubacon/status/1732390272795808064?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>



Jim Stapleton is a former Regent of Eastern Michigan University.  He has moved on to bigger and better things with the NCAA Infraction committee.  The last time Michigan was looking for a football coach he lobbied Michigan to hire Ron English.

[SuperMario]

Jim Stapleton is a former Regent of Eastern Michigan University.  He has moved on to bigger and better things with the NCAA Infraction committee.  The last time Michigan was looking for a football coach he lobbied Michigan to hire Ron English.

I've heard a lot of rumblings this year that he was the head of the issues behind the scenes for the RichRod hire. When a lot of people were questioning if it was Lloyd Carr, the reality was it was Stapleton because his guy wasn't hired. 

It has sounded like Stapleton could have been the driving force behind some of the downfall of UM football after Lloyd stepped down. 

[Mdot21]

https://twitter.com/RJ_cfb/status/1732794741685731386?s=20

[SuperMario]

https://twitter.com/RJ_cfb/status/1732794741685731386?s=20

This seems intentionally leaked. I actually think this being public isn't a good sign when the contract extension isn't finalized.  It puts all the pressure on Harbaugh and it could be leaked so UM could take the stance that "they tried." If Harbaugh was 100% in and didn't want to entertain NFL offers, the extension would be in writing and signed. 

[Honestbuckeye]

It’s a smart play. Stabilizing the program and environment and sending a very positive signal as we approach recruiting/ signing time.  

[MrNubbz]

But a lie none the less - he's rather accomplished at it.Many of the portaled kids may have cooled their heels wondering how things may unfold. So now he may have to kiss some fanny at least until he bolts - ahead of the possey