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Topic: 2023 Michigan Season Thread

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SuperMario

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2310 on: November 28, 2023, 10:01:08 AM »
This was your full post
And I expanded on it. The initial post was lacking a ton of context. I’ll certainly admit it. I further expanded on what the point of it was. 

first post: completely my end for lacking the point

the rest of the posts after: you simply want to ignore 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2311 on: November 28, 2023, 10:09:03 AM »
MSU fired him.  Yes, they clearly did a bad job vetting that hire.  I don't know what else you want them to do though.  Hire him back to fire him a second time?

It's not a morality thing with Harbaugh.  It's NCAA rules.  But he's also been suspended for half of the games this season, for two investigations that are likely going to result is further discipline for each.  At some point as a university, you have to decide where your priorities lie.  Michigan is well within their rights to keep a winning coach through multiple suspensions.  Auburn hired Hugh Freeze, because they decided winning trumps all.  That's fine.  That's their choice.  But then you also have to be willing to accept how that plays in the court of public opinion.  Pointing at other schools, particularly when the examples are coaches that were fired, as a defense as to why your coach is still employed doesn't make much sense to me.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2312 on: November 28, 2023, 12:25:30 PM »
 It's NCAA rules.  But he's also been suspended for half of the games this season, for two investigations 
And the first was not suspended by the NCAA, but self-imposed by Michigan.. For what, communicating with people during a silent period during a once in a life time pandemic? I get it, Michigan fans claiming it's only because he bought a recruit a burger. Harbaugh refused to cooperate with NCAA so it's likely more than a single burger buy, but we also don't know. We really don't.

 going to result is further discipline for each.  
based on what? Again, you're making an assumption and none of us simply know all the facts and details. Could that happen? Sure could, but to say it's going to doesn't have factual base behind it.

 At some point as a university, you have to decide where your priorities lie.  Michigan is well within their rights to keep a winning coach through multiple suspensions. 
And what if their priority is to not bail on a coach, who's stories in the public aren't quite accurate? What if he truly had no idea about stallions and neither did the rest of the coaching staff and Harbaugh seriously just bought a kid and his family lunch and the backlash was greater because he told the NCAA to go fly a kite, it was a burger?

So while pointing at other schools and their situations may not make sense, neither does scathing a program for their decisions, when the facts are far from known as they are known at their level. Is that reasonable?

If all comes out and Harbaugh did far more during the quiet period and there was far more involvement than just scallions, I fully understand your position much more, but we simply don't have enough facts one way or another. Thats why as a Michigan guy, it's gets a little old hearing the criticism of their program and how they handle it over and over. Not taking a shot at you, just explaining my perspective. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2315 on: November 28, 2023, 12:51:21 PM »
Pointing at other schools, particularly when the examples are coaches that were fired, as a defense as to why your coach is still employed doesn't make much sense to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motte-and-bailey_fallacy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Classic misdirection.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2316 on: November 28, 2023, 07:03:33 PM »
MSU did the right thing in firing Tucker.
yeah, they did right thing in firing Tucker because he's truly a dogshit coach. Not because he was whacking off over the phone. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2317 on: November 28, 2023, 07:07:07 PM »
MSU fired him.  Yes, they clearly did a bad job vetting that hire.  I don't know what else you want them to do though.  Hire him back to fire him a second time?

It's not a morality thing with Harbaugh.  It's NCAA rules.  But he's also been suspended for half of the games this season, for two investigations that are likely going to result is further discipline for each.  At some point as a university, you have to decide where your priorities lie.  Michigan is well within their rights to keep a winning coach through multiple suspensions.  Auburn hired Hugh Freeze, because they decided winning trumps all.  That's fine.  That's their choice.  But then you also have to be willing to accept how that plays in the court of public opinion.  Pointing at other schools, particularly when the examples are coaches that were fired, as a defense as to why your coach is still employed doesn't make much sense to me.
winner winner chicken dinner.

this thing is about winning games. always has been, always will be. 

Jeem keeps winning the B1G and making playoff runs, they'll tolerate a lot. 

winning cures all ills and it's a strong cologne that wipes away almost all stench. 

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2318 on: November 28, 2023, 08:32:10 PM »
Mike Hart interviewing for the Indiana job. Hopefully he's smart enough not to take that job.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2319 on: November 28, 2023, 08:41:45 PM »
it might pay enough to cover the bills

I'd take that job if offered
"Courage; Generosity; Fairness; Honor; In these are the true awards of manly sport."

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2320 on: November 28, 2023, 09:23:41 PM »
Yeah, if a P5 school is willing to offer you a head coaching job with no coordinating experience, let alone head coaching, you kind of have to take that job. Assuming the goal is to be a head coach eventually.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2321 on: November 28, 2023, 09:35:09 PM »
or if the goal is simply to make a shitload of $$$
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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2322 on: November 29, 2023, 01:14:46 AM »
Yeah, if a P5 school is willing to offer you a head coaching job with no coordinating experience, let alone head coaching, you kind of have to take that job. Assuming the goal is to be a head coach eventually.
Idk if he’d be better off going to group of 5 and building a winner and waiting for a better job opening a la Fickell. 

Indiana is just an impossible job. Especially with USC, UCLA, Washington, and Oregon coming into the B1G. Michigan has hit peak form and should continue to be really good so long as Jeem is there. Ohio State is a juggernaut. Penn State is a top 10-15 team almost annually right now. Michigan State just hired a really good coach (I think). Wisconsin could be really good very soon if Fickell is legit. 

Indiana is almost guaranteed to be a place where it’s almost impossible to win.

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Re: 2023 Michigan Season Thread
« Reply #2323 on: November 29, 2023, 07:24:35 AM »
yeah, they did right thing in firing Tucker because he's truly a dogshit coach. Not because he was whacking off over the phone.
I was trying to say it without saying it.

Tucker gave MSU the "out" they needed.
U RAH RAH! WIS CON SIN!

 

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