2022-2023 B1G Basketball Thread

[medinabuckeye1]

We have one league game tonight as Maryland visits Madison. The Terps already have a home win over Illinois so a win here would make for quite an impressive start to the conference season. 

We have two slight underdogs playing highly ranked teams in Madison Square Garden:

• #17 Illinois is a 2.5 point dog to #2 Texas at 7pm.
• Iowa is a 2.5 point dog to #15 Dook at 9:30. Iowa is unranked but, FWIW, they are first among ORV.

The Hawkeyes and Illini could really prop up all of our SoS with a B1G sweep tonight!

[NickSmith4Three]

I don't know how Illinois won that game.  They turn the ball over way too much and stink at free throws but the defense is pretty stout.

[medinabuckeye1]

I don't know how Illinois won that game.  They turn the ball over way too much and stink at free throws but the defense is pretty stout.

We'll take it! Getting a split in NYC as underdogs to #2 and #15 is pretty good!

[medinabuckeye1]

WOW! What an ending!

[medinabuckeye1]

WOW! What an ending!

For those who didn't see it:

Ohio State was down 65-64 with under 10 seconds to go after hitting a FT.

Rutgers inbounded and Ohio State didn't get the steal so they had to foul. 

Rutgers hit the front end of a one-and-one but missed the second FT making it 66-64 Rutgers when Ohio State got the rebound. 

Ohio State got to just past mid-court and ran out of time so they had to heave up a prayer from roughly mid-court. The clock hit zero while the ball was in the air and it went in for a 67-66 tOSU win.

[ELA]

For those who didn't see it:

Ohio State was down 65-64 with under 10 seconds to go after hitting a FT.

Rutgers inbounded and Ohio State didn't get the steal so they had to foul.

Rutgers hit the front end of a one-and-one but missed the second FT making it 66-64 Rutgers when Ohio State got the rebound.

Ohio State got to just past mid-court and ran out of time so they had to heave up a prayer from roughly mid-court. The clock hit zero while the ball was in the air and it went in for a 67-66 tOSU win.

https://twitter.com/MrMatthewCFB/status/1601035447102472192?t=Z54NLoBphNo6SL4VDZwxNw&s=19

[grillrat]

Horrible reffing though.  Buzzer Beater should have been called off.  Tanner Holden was well out of bounds and jumped back in to receive the ball before launching it.  That's a turnover (you can't be the first to receive the ball from a passer if you have been out of bounds).

[ELA]

Horrible reffing though.  Buzzer Beater should have been called off.  Tanner Holden was well out of bounds and jumped back in to receive the ball before launching it.  That's a turnover (you can't be the first to receive the ball from a passer if you have been out of bounds).

That's not true.  You have to establish both feet in bounds first.  Guys run out of bounds along the base line to shoot corner threes all the time.

Also, if you are Nebraska WR, the rule doesn't apply

[medinabuckeye1]

Need to figure out tiers pretty soon, current KenPom:

• #5 Purdue
• #10 Indiana
• #12 Illinois
• #19 Maryland
• #20 Iowa
• #21 Ohio State
• #27 Rutgers
• #37 Michigan State
• #42 Wisconsin
• #45 Michigan
• #47 Penn State
• #63 Northwestern
• #81 Nebraska
• #158 Minnesota

Timeline, thoughts, questions:
There are a few league games this weekend then league games pause almost until NYE.  Therefore, my thinking for a timeline is that I'd like to nail down our initial tiers next week.  That way we can include the results of this weekend's games in our analysis.  

Indiana was projected to be the best in the league but now it looks to me like we have a top tier of the Boilermakers, the Hoosiers, and the Illini.  We'll see.  

So my initial thoughts before this weekend's games are included would be:

• Purdue, Indiana, Illinois
• Maryland, Iowa, Ohio State, Rutgers, Michigan State (normally I would stop at RU and move MSU down but call this the Izzo bonus)
• UW, M, PSU
• NU, UNL
• blank
• Minnesota

If we go with those tiers, the upsets so far are:

• NU's win at MSU
• MSU's win at PSU

Those cancel out for MSU while NU is +1 and PSU is -1.  

[FearlessF]

Need to figure out tiers pretty soon, current KenPom:

• #5 Purdue
• #10 Indiana
• #12 Illinois
• #19 Maryland
• #20 Iowa
• #21 Ohio State
• #27 Rutgers
• #37 Michigan State
• #42 Wisconsin
• #45 Michigan
• #47 Penn State
• #63 Northwestern
• #81 Nebraska
• #158 Minnesota

Huskers with a cornsiderable bump after taking down #7 on the road?

[grillrat]

That's not true.  You have to establish both feet in bounds first.  Guys run out of bounds along the base line to shoot corner threes all the time.

Also, if you are Nebraska WR, the rule doesn't apply

"Play 1: Two players for team A set a double screen near the endline. A1, using the screen in an effort to lose a defender, intentionally runs around the screen in the out-of-bounds area behind the basket and returns to the playing court on the other side just beyond the three-point arc. After stepping back onto the court A1 is the first to receive a pass, shooting the ball for a successful three-point goal. Ruling 1: According to NFHS rule 9-3-3, a violation occurred and a whistle should be sounded the moment A1 stepped out of bounds. According to NCAA rule 9-3.1, since A1 stepped out of bounds voluntarily, the moment A1 first touched the ball after returning to the court, a violation occurred."


Leaving the Court Has Consequences - Referee.com

And even if you are right and the above is wrong, I'm pretty sure that he received the ball while in the air while coming in from out of bounds.  He never established both feet.

[ELA]

And even if you are right and the above is wrong, I'm pretty sure that he received the ball while in the air while coming in from out of bounds.  He never established both feet.

And that is the issue.

The first player to touch the ball is usually still the ball handler.  He had to establish back in bounds first, and I'm not sure he did.  But it's not as black and white as I saw on Twitter

[grillrat]

Official section 9.3 of the NCAA rulebook:

Section 3. Player Out of Bounds

Art. 1.   A player who steps out of bounds under the player's own volition and then becomes the first player to touch the ball after returning to the playing court has committed a violation. 

a. A violation has not been committed when a player, who steps out of bounds as permitted by Rule 7-4.6.b, does not receive the pass along the end line from a teammate and is the first to touch the ball after returning to the playing court. 

b. A player whose momentum causes that player to go out of bounds may be the first to touch the ball inbounds if that player reestablishes one foot inbounds prior to touching the ball.

[ELA]

Need to figure out tiers pretty soon, current KenPom:

• #5 Purdue
• #10 Indiana
• #12 Illinois
• #19 Maryland
• #20 Iowa
• #21 Ohio State
• #27 Rutgers
• #37 Michigan State
• #42 Wisconsin
• #45 Michigan
• #47 Penn State
• #63 Northwestern
• #81 Nebraska
• #158 Minnesota

Timeline, thoughts, questions:
There are a few league games this weekend then league games pause almost until NYE.  Therefore, my thinking for a timeline is that I'd like to nail down our initial tiers next week.  That way we can include the results of this weekend's games in our analysis. 

Indiana was projected to be the best in the league but now it looks to me like we have a top tier of the Boilermakers, the Hoosiers, and the Illini.  We'll see. 

So my initial thoughts before this weekend's games are included would be:

• Purdue, Indiana, Illinois
• Maryland, Iowa, Ohio State, Rutgers, Michigan State (normally I would stop at RU and move MSU down but call this the Izzo bonus)
• UW, M, PSU
• NU, UNL
• blank
• Minnesota

If we go with those tiers, the upsets so far are:

• NU's win at MSU
• MSU's win at PSU

Those cancel out for MSU while NU is +1 and PSU is -1. 

This is usually entering the time of garbage games, so I would say there is not much to wait for, absent a major upset.

I think I mostly agree with you, except this is looking like the third straight year of bIzzoaro MSU.  MSU always struggled in November, and then rounded into form.

In 2021, MSU won at Duke, and blew out Notre Dame at home, to reach #4 on December 20.  Then they lost at Northwestern to start a run of losing 9 of 13, and needing to scramble down the stretch to salvage a Play In Tourney bid.

In 2022, MSU blew out Butler, and beat Loyola, UConn and Louisville, with the only losses coming to #3 Kansas and #6 Baylor, starting 14-2, and 5-0 in the Big Ten, reaching #10 on January 15.  Then they lost to Northwestern to start a run of losing 9 of 14, and needing to scramble down the stretch to salvage a 7 seed.

This year, MSU wobeat Kentucky, Villanova and Oregon, with a 1 point loss to Gonzaga, and a loss, down 2 starters to a top 10 Alabama team, to reach #12 on November.  Then they lost to Northwestern and got blown out at Notre Dame...?  We'll see where it goes from here, and the win at Penn State is promising, but after losing at home to Northwestern last year, they turned around and won in Madison, but the slide had started.  MSU has a good chance to go 5-0 now, with 5 straight home games (Brown, Oakland, Buffalo, Nebraska, Michigan).  And they probably need to, because after that, things get real (@Wisconsin, @Illinois, Purdue, Rutgers, @Indiana, Iowa, @Purdue, @Rutgers, Maryland, @OSU).  5-5 through that seems like a major win