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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5628 on: August 03, 2020, 09:08:45 AM »
Maybe the competent person wouldn't do a better job than the incompetent one. How could we ever know really?
WE could make assumptions, based on performance in prior positions, such as secretary of state. We could start there.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5629 on: August 03, 2020, 09:09:15 AM »
My votes should count double because no one wants to live near me
I'd be happy to be your neighbor.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5630 on: August 03, 2020, 09:18:35 AM »
The people coming from the Midwest carry their habits with them too, for sure, but the people coming from the Midwest are fleeing failure and trying to make their lives better, and make their votes matter. The more people we can get in Florida from Illinois, the better. Those people aren't the ones who want free shit for everyone.
This seems like kind of a narrow bridge to walk. 

The sentiment is basically, we need to import people from a non-competitive state to a competitive state, but primarily people in the minority of that non-competitive state. But by the same token, California could lose some of its majority and create some changes in other places as well.

In the end, the idea of this migration pattern is kinda of just hoping for people to naturally gerrymander themselves in the favor of one party one might prefer. It's maybe an interesting thought exercise, but probably more fantasy than anything else. 

It's also funny because at times people get very cross about the idea of others migrating to our state, but less issue when it comes to our own mobility. New Yorkers have been filling Florida for generations, but as the interloper, you feel sudden ownership of the place and hope they suddenly stop? 

In any case, it does point to a quirk of the electoral college. It redistributes importance based on sort of broad social trends. In some places, votes feel like they count, in others they don't. Shoot, even states themselves are massively arbitrary. San Francisco is tied to Redding. Fairfield is tied to Chicago. Miami is tied to the panhandle. And of course a Californian can become  Wisconsinite and a lifelong Illinois resident could be come a Floridian (or Texan or Arizonan or North Carolinian). 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5631 on: August 03, 2020, 09:23:13 AM »
The push for a popular vote is a move by the left to ensure that there is never another president from the right. It's a move that would give the power of elections to Chicago, New York, LA, Minneapolis, Portland, Seattle, Milwaukee, Philly, etc.

Those cities are disaster areas in almost all areas of concern.

I do not want THAT choosing my president, thank you.
/Raises hand

This argument reads that in an election of one person, one vote, the left would always beat the right. That seems like a particularly troubling indictment of the right. 

I tend to disagree with that idea. I think certain parts of parities would shift, as would approaches. 

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5632 on: August 03, 2020, 09:25:53 AM »
Presidential elections are generally close.  How would we do a recount if one was needed nationally?

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5633 on: August 03, 2020, 09:26:20 AM »
"Let us endeavor so to live - that when we come to die even the undertaker will be sorry." - Mark Twain

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5634 on: August 03, 2020, 09:31:35 AM »
I'd be happy to be your neighbor.
Thanks buddy

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5635 on: August 03, 2020, 09:33:45 AM »
Thanks buddy
Could you imagine how fat we would get with all of the cooking contests we'd do?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5636 on: August 03, 2020, 09:35:32 AM »
The wife says French politics is even worse.  From what I have seen, tend to agree.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5637 on: August 03, 2020, 09:35:35 AM »
/Raises hand

This argument reads that in an election of one person, one vote, the left would always beat the right. That seems like a particularly troubling indictment of the right.

I tend to disagree with that idea. I think certain parts of parities would shift, as would approaches.
Not to me. To me, it's a troubling indictment of where this country seems to be headed.

A republic, if you can keep it. 

To me, this is in grave danger.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5638 on: August 03, 2020, 09:37:11 AM »
If magically the EC disappeared, candidates would shift in positions, a lot, and be more city centric.

But it won't disappear.  Been hearing this complaint twenty years, and not even a small step has happened.

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5639 on: August 03, 2020, 09:42:22 AM »
All votes are equal but some votes are more equal than others
A democratic vote in Nebraska doesn't mean much outside the overall vote count.  A republican vote in California means about the same..

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5640 on: August 03, 2020, 09:43:52 AM »
Maybe the competent person wouldn't do a better job than the incompetent one. How could we ever know really?
I'm happy enough never knowing.
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #5641 on: August 03, 2020, 09:45:32 AM »
If magically the EC disappeared, candidates would shift in positions, a lot, and be more city centric.

But it won't disappear.  Been hearing this complaint twenty years, and not even a small step has happened.
I would like to see votes move from winning a state = 100% of the EC votes to %'s...   Candidates spend time in Ohio for a reason... they don't spend that much time in WV.

 

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