Perhaps the BEST B1G Forum anywhere, here at College Football Fan Site, CFB51!!!

The weirdest thing is how people act as if California or any state is some kind of monolith of a place.

I'm positive there's a part of Ca you'd enjoy living in (and a part of Texas you wouldn't).

Well, although MDot's critique largely was based on the LA/OC/SD and Bay Area megalopolises, the other point was that CA has high income taxes. He's somewhat incorrect that we have high property taxes, if you look at it on a percentage basis, but our property values in the megalopolises are so high that the real amount paid in property taxes can be high. 

However, even if you go to the rest of the state, where property values aren't so high, and where he might enjoy living, the income taxes are still nuts. And while salaries here tend to be higher than other places (due to cost of living), that also means that you get caught in both higher state income tax brackets and higher federal income tax brackets. 

I.e. for a certain standard of living in say Orange County or the Bay Area, compared to say Austin, I not only have to make enough extra money to pay for the high cost of living, but also make more money to pay state taxes, and because I'm making more money, I have to make EVEN MORE money to pay for the extra federal taxes I'll incur because of the cost of living. 

I think I want to move to Austin or to the Denver area, honestly. Within my company if I transferred locations my pay wouldn't change, which means my standard of living would go up significantly. 

Well, although MDot's critique largely was based on the LA/OC/SD and Bay Area megalopolises, the other point was that CA has high income taxes. He's somewhat incorrect that we have high property taxes, if you look at it on a percentage basis, but our property values in the megalopolises are so high that the real amount paid in property taxes can be high.

However, even if you go to the rest of the state, where property values aren't so high, and where he might enjoy living, the income taxes are still nuts. And while salaries here tend to be higher than other places (due to cost of living), that also means that you get caught in both higher state income tax brackets and higher federal income tax brackets.

I.e. for a certain standard of living in say Orange County or the Bay Area, compared to say Austin, I not only have to make enough extra money to pay for the high cost of living, but also make more money to pay state taxes, and because I'm making more money, I have to make EVEN MORE money to pay for the extra federal taxes I'll incur because of the cost of living.

I think I want to move to Austin or to the Denver area, honestly. Within my company if I transferred locations my pay wouldn't change, which means my standard of living would go up significantly.

Nope, Austin's all full up.

Denver is super-nice though!

I think it’s easy to tell someone they should have stood up for themselves even at the expense of their job.  That’s an easy stand to make for someone else.

I don’t blame Gundy for caving to keep a 5 or 6 million dollar a year job (or whatever he makes). I blame him for being dumb enough to wear the shirt in the first place.

True. It's a tough call. He's been making millions of dollars a year for well over a decade. So if he's saved his money or invested it at all, he should be more then well off. But you're right- it's a tough call and you're right I'm just venting. I have no idea what I'd do in that same situation. Easier said than done.

The fact that the guy could've lost his job for wearing a damn t-shirt on a private fishing trip is absolutely insane in the first place though. INSANE. He didn't post the pic to Facebook, I think his sons friend did.

And it wasn't a confederate t-shirt or a Nazi symbol or something overtly racist or obscene. It was a t-shirt of a god damn cable news tv station that someone from that network problem gave to him. And he wore it on a fishing trip- not at a public team function or press conference. A fishing trip.

Is OAN televising Nazi rallies or crazy shit? Asking for real, I've never watched it. If it's just another Fox News wannabe- what is the big F'ing deal that he wore this t-shirt? I don't get it. Honestly.

This shit is just insane. And the little motherf***ker who blasted his coach on twitter for wearing a stupid t-shirt isn't even from this country- he's from Canada. I looked up exactly where he's from. It's a nice cozy, cushy safe suburb of Canada. This little twitter warrior prick has no idea what it's like to be black poor and grow up in Detroit or Chicago or any decaying inner city in America. You think people from those neighborhoods honestly give two shits about a t-shirt that someone wears while on a fishing trip?

That some of the excuses we make for behavior, or half-assed attempts we make to curtail that behavior, are ridiculous if you take out the context of "police" and apply it elsewhere.

Obviously, police aren't Terminators. But meaningful reform is necessary at a systemic level, and most of our discussions about it are playing around at the margins.

It’s not that I don’t agree to a certain extent. Any degree of better is better.  But the police have millions of personal encounters with the public each year and a fraction of them go sideways.  If we can reduce that number through reform or enhanced training then I am all for it.

It just seems like cops are getting painted with a pretty broad brush and that  piece of satire you posted doesn’t help.

It’s not that I don’t agree to a certain extent. Any degree of better is better.  But the police have millions of personal encounters with the public each year and a fraction of them go sideways.  If we can reduce that number through reform or enhanced training then I am all for it.

It just seems like cops are getting painted with a pretty broad brush and that  piece of satire you posted doesn’t help.

The issue is that the police are largely accountability-free. The point is when those encounters go sideways and the police do something they shouldn't do, rarely can anyone take action. That's the reform we need.

Do you mean lawsuits against the individual cops?

I think he means jail time. But I'll let him speak on that.

The issue is that the police are largely accountability-free. The point is when those encounters go sideways and the police do something they shouldn't do, rarely can anyone take action. That's the reform we need.

Absolutely. It's the entire culture that is screwed up and needs changing.

But unfortunately I think this whole anti-police thing has gone in the wrong direction. I was a victim of police brutality- but another police officer also literally saved the life of a family member of mine. They are not all bad, even if the culture is kinda screwed up and needs fixing.

Overall, I am pro-police. It's a tough shitty job, and we need police officers. Someone has to do it. I'm for reform, not for getting rid of all police officers. Some of the shit people are proposing is just stupid. We need police officers. The same people who say they want to see what this society would look like without them would be the first ones to call them when they are in danger.

I was all for the protests at the beginning and calling for reform, but I feel like it's just gotten out of hand at this point.