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betarhoalphadelta

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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3640 on: June 19, 2020, 01:44:08 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 19, 2020, 01:37:18 PM
two points

get rid of police unions

the elected community leaders need to grow a pair
Sure sounds simple when you put it that way...

How realistic do you think either of those solutions are? 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3641 on: June 19, 2020, 02:00:30 PM »
Why do unions seem unable to protect the good and ditch the bad?  It's just self-inflicted wounds.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3642 on: June 19, 2020, 02:01:07 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 19, 2020, 01:44:08 PM
Sure sounds simple when you put it that way...

How realistic do you think either of those solutions are?

by congress passing a law outlawing police unions and elect better leaders
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3643 on: June 19, 2020, 02:01:40 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 19, 2020, 02:00:30 PM
Why do unions seem unable to protect the good and ditch the bad?  It's just self-inflicted wounds. 
all about money
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3644 on: June 19, 2020, 02:06:01 PM »
I went to a pool party yesterday for a friend's birthday.  We had 8 people, it was nice.  She only invited people who've been careful, however she measures that, lol.

Been getting a lot of antsy customers.  It says orders will take about 3 weeks on a banner on the site, and I have a guy asking me about his order after 9 days.  

Do I complain to much about this stuff?  Meh.  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3645 on: June 19, 2020, 02:07:47 PM »
I'm sure pro-union, I feel that they're essential.  Why?  Because in a right-to-work state like AZ, where we can't really have a union with any influence, it took a 70,000-teacher march to get a raise.
Wouldn't it just have been better for a few union leaders to negotiate it instead?  
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3646 on: June 19, 2020, 02:10:27 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 19, 2020, 02:01:07 PM
by congress passing a law outlawing police unions and elect better leaders
Man... You'd better watch out. Weed is illegal in Texas, and clearly you're smoking some good sh!t if you think either of those things will happen. 

Congress probably won't even manage to pass the bill to end qualified immunity. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3647 on: June 19, 2020, 02:14:27 PM »
I mean, the Democrats won't dare touch police unions because Democrats are pro-union, and Republicans won't dare touch the police unions because they won't do anything to appear anti-cop or "soft on crime". 

So asking Congress to ban police unions will NEVER happen. 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3648 on: June 19, 2020, 02:39:37 PM »
Quote from: OrangeAfroMan on June 19, 2020, 02:07:47 PM
I'm sure pro-union, I feel that they're essential.  Why?  Because in a right-to-work state like AZ, where we can't really have a union with any influence, it took a 70,000-teacher march to get a raise.
Wouldn't it just have been better for a few union leaders to negotiate it instead? 
I grew up in a union family and am very much for them except in the public sector 
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3649 on: June 19, 2020, 02:45:26 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 19, 2020, 02:14:27 PM
I mean, the Democrats won't dare touch police unions because Democrats are pro-union, and Republicans won't dare touch the police unions because they won't do anything to appear anti-cop or "soft on crime".

So asking Congress to ban police unions will NEVER happen.

well there you have it in those magic words the Dems wont be for it

The dems will have to give in a little for any real change to happen
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3650 on: June 19, 2020, 02:50:19 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 19, 2020, 02:45:26 PM
well there you have it in those magic words the Dems wont be for it

The dems will have to give in a little for any real change to happen
And yet the tangible bill before the House right now, the "End Qualified Immunity Act"? 

61 cosponsors. 60 of them are Democrats. 1 of them is a Republican, Tom McClintock of CA. (Amash, the sponsor, is a former Republican turned Libertarian).

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/7085/cosponsors?searchResultViewType=expanded

Why aren't the Republicans giving in a little for a real change to happen? 

We've all talked about ending qualified immunity in this thread. Many of you (who are Republican) agreed that it's a messed up policy and should be ended. 

If you're living in a district represented by a Republican, what pressure are you going to put on your Congresscritter to get them to add their names to the cosponsor list of this bill and make it bipartisan?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3651 on: June 19, 2020, 02:56:00 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 19, 2020, 02:50:19 PM
And yet the tangible bill before the House right now, the "End Qualified Immunity Act"?

61 cosponsors. 60 of them are Democrats. 1 of them is a Republican, Tom McClintock of CA. (Amash, the sponsor, is a former Republican turned Libertarian).

https://www.congress.gov/bill/116th-congress/house-bill/7085/cosponsors?searchResultViewType=expanded

Why aren't the Republicans giving in a little for a real change to happen?

We've all talked about ending qualified immunity in this thread. Many of you (who are Republican) agreed that it's a messed up policy and should be ended.

If you're living in a district represented by a Republican, what pressure are you going to put on your Congresscritter to get them to add their names to the cosponsor list of this bill and make it bipartisan?
not me Im against it
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3652 on: June 19, 2020, 03:08:18 PM »
Quote from: longhorn320 on June 19, 2020, 02:56:00 PM
not me Im against it
You're for ending police unions but against rescinding qualified immunity? 

Are you serious, or are you just trolling me at this point?
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Re: 2020 Offseason Stream of Unconciousness
« Reply #3653 on: June 19, 2020, 03:17:39 PM »
Quote from: bwarbiany on June 19, 2020, 03:08:18 PM
You're for ending police unions but against rescinding qualified immunity?

Are you serious, or are you just trolling me at this point?
Im against public unions cause the people negotiating for the government have no skin in the game and therefore little incentive to hold wages and benefits to an acceptable level plus this gets worse if the union contributes to their campaign

Im for qualified immunity as the best way to avoid frivolous law suits I might be for some changes in the law but not for completely doing away with it

the officer put my handcuffs on too tight Id like $1,000 for my discomfort
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