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Topic: 2019 Ohio State Season Thread

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Mdot21

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #378 on: August 15, 2019, 02:27:26 PM »
Ohio State is loaded with talent, more so than anyone in the Big Ten or country except for MAYBE Alabama and Clemson.  They could lose a game to Sparty given Sparty's defense, or maybe Michigan in Ann Arbor, but they are the B1G's best and are ranked accordingly.  And I doubt Chris Day, his staff, or any of the Buckeye players are loosing sleep in camp over "The" stupid distraction.
on paper, sure. But recruit rankings on paper don't always translate onto the field. Urban was one of the greatest recruiters of 5 STARZ players ever, but he also developed those 5 STARZ maybe better than any coach that I've ever seen. Lots of coaches land 5 STARZ and wind up with busts on their hands. Urbz was great at getting 5 STARZ and then even better at getting them to play like 5 STARZ. Remains to be seen how Ryan Day can develop/motivate players.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #379 on: August 15, 2019, 02:47:10 PM »
Wonder if Mattison is a straight shooter,or blowing smoke.According to a Gerdeman Podcast on 11 Warriors Mattison is fawning over both Borland and Werner at LB,who the masses quite frankly aren't that infatuated with
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #380 on: August 15, 2019, 02:49:03 PM »
Wonder if Mattison is a straight shooter,or blowing smoke.According to a Gerdeman Podcast on 11 Warriors Mattison is fawning over both Borland and Werner at LB,who the masses quite frankly aren't that infatuated with
Love me some Greg Mattison as a coach, but he is most definitely 100000% a smoke blower. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #381 on: August 15, 2019, 02:55:19 PM »
:stfu: :D damn I was hoping that wasn't the case - a glass half full type.Those two were serviceable but their game needs to ratchet up a bit,they have some experience but just seemed to lack speed and quickness.We'll see where the depth charts are when camp breaks 
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #383 on: August 15, 2019, 03:55:52 PM »

https://twitter.com/ESPN_BillC/status/1161266150690492417

you never want to be the guy who replaces the legend. you want to be the guy who replaces the guy who replaced the legend. Urban Meyer's shoes are bascially virtually impossible to fill. Feel bad for the guy who is going to have to take over for Saban in Alabama. That's going to be a tough out.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #384 on: August 15, 2019, 04:23:00 PM »
Day isn't just replacing one legend, he's replacing two decades of two all-time legends. Legends on the program, conference, and national level. Needless to say in ~20 tries, OSU didn't just reach up like a one-time skyscraper, it built a wide cloud-level plateau and fans haven't known anything else.

If the universe cares for balance, the come down is probable and will be excrutiating.  😎
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #385 on: August 15, 2019, 04:33:17 PM »
Day isn't just replacing one legend, he's replacing two decades of two all-time legends. Legends on the program, conference, and national level. Needless to say in ~20 tries, OSU didn't just reach up like a one-time skyscraper, it built a wide cloud-level plateau and fans haven't known anything else.

If the universe cares for balance, the come down is probable and will be excrutiating.
you never want to replace a legendary coach, unless of course you are a more legendary coach than the one you are replacing.

Ohio State lucked out really. It's pretty much impossible to hire two Hall of Fame, legendary coaches back to back like they did with Tressell and then Urban. That just doesn't happen.

That would be like the Patriots going from Parcells right to Belichik. They went from Parcells to Pete Carrol, who struggled in the NFL and got fired, then to Belichik. That's usually how coaching changes go. What Ohio State pulled off with Tressell right to Meyer is highly unusual. 

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #386 on: August 15, 2019, 09:23:05 PM »
:stfu: :D damn I was hoping that wasn't the case - a glass half full type.Those two were serviceable but their game needs to ratchet up a bit,they have some experience but just seemed to lack speed and quickness.We'll see where the depth charts are when camp breaks
Werner has serious jets.  Now whether that translates to a better season- we will see. A few dudes behind him are going to be killers ( Mitchell, Browning) won’t sit if guys in the field aren’t playing well.  
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #387 on: August 15, 2019, 10:02:53 PM »
I don't question his guts/heart/determination think he's more of a situational than a 3 down guy.He took some pounding from TE's,FB's and linemen but has a place in certain schemes IMO.I gather from an 11 Warriors podcast they'll be rotating quite a bit which should work out
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #388 on: August 16, 2019, 12:29:47 PM »
Preview Continued - Defensive Line and Defensive coaching

OSU's defense, outstanding in 2016, showed a crack here and there (re:Iowa) in 2017, and then abandoned all hope in 2018, as they were repeatedly gashed for big plays in nearly every game.  They did not appear fundamentally sound in defending the whole field nor did they look comfortable understanding what the offense was trying to do.  They were a mess, to be honest, and it cost them a playoff appearance.

Unlike the offensive staff, Ryan Day made big changes to the defensive staff.  Obviously, Day made waves by bringing in Greg Mattison and Al Washington from Michigan, but he also brought in Jeff Hafley from the 49ers to help coordinate the defense.  Mattison has been coaching defense since I was in grade school.  Hafley has bounced around the ranks, mostly coaching defensive backs, and knew Day through Chip Kelly.

What's the new defense going to look like?  Probably simpler and much more sound.  When Hoke and Mattison took over Michigan in 2011, the defense jumped from 77th in S&P to 21st.  Defense was never the issue for those groups, and I'm quite confident this group will not make nearly as many huge mistakes as last year.  Otherwise, it probably won't look wildly different.  They will play a 4-3, though like Michigan they will utilize a linebacker who is comfortable in coverage (Michigan's "Viper" becomes OSU's "Bullet").  They will likely have more looks in coverage, instead of the steady supply of man defense they went with last year.

Up front, there probably won't be many changes at all.  Larry Johnson's defensive line is good and deep.  Expect a lot of guys to play.  

DE: Chase Young will get the glory and the plays.  He's being talked about as a top five draft pick, and the biggest challenge is facing the various blocking schemes designed to stop him.  After him, things are a bit up in the air.  Jonathan Cooper returns as is the nominal starter opposite Young.  However, Tyreke Smith and Tyler Friday should challenge, and all may play if OSU still trots out their four DE "Rushmen" line on passing situations.  Javonte Jean-Baptiste and superfrosh Zach Harrison also may get some time.

DT: A very deep position for the Buckeyes.  They lost Dremont Jones to the draft, but return eight guys who could all play.  Rob Landers and Jashon Cornell are the nominal starters, but expect a heavy rotation involving Taron Vincent, Davon Hamilton, Tommy Togiai, and Haskell Garrett.  Jerron Cage and Antwuan Jackson could also earn time.  

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #389 on: August 19, 2019, 01:40:19 PM »
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2019/08/105994/watch-ryan-day-address-the-media-and-name-a-starting-quarterback

I have no idea if he can win tough games, but I like the way he handles himself and the media.  
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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #390 on: August 19, 2019, 01:44:39 PM »
This year could be more interesting overall than many have been despite the dearth of apparently top end OOC matchups.

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Re: 2019 Ohio State Offseason Thread
« Reply #391 on: August 19, 2019, 02:02:45 PM »
Preview continued - Linebackers

Linebacker and safety are where the rubber meets the road for the new coaching staff.  Last year, OSU's constant defensive problems were typically highlighted by someone, often a linebacker, either way out of position or desperately chasing someone they had no hope of catching.  Frankly, as the spread as risen, playing these positions is fairly tough, and the move towards smaller guys who can cover in space is pretty wide.

So it will be this year.  With the "bullet" position, OSU will have a safety move down to linebacker, especially against spread teams.  It sounds like Brendan White and Jahsen Wint will be the early contenders to be the bullet.  It may be a work in progress, since they are safeties, not linebackers, and it remains to be seen how comfortable the staff will be in playing them and who they take off the field.

As for actual linebackers, it looks like five guys are competing for three (two) spots.  Malik Harrison was their best linebacker last year, and he remains a very large and athletic strong side linebacker.  Dallas Gant would back him.  Tuf Borland and Baron Browning are competing for the middle spot, though Tuf appears to be the starter again.  He was fairly average last year, though he was also recovering from an Achilles injury.

Weakside linebacker looks like Pete Werner, backed up by Teradja Mitchell.  Werner was a fan whipping boy last year, as he was often the poor sap chasing down a smaller guy he couldn't cover.  The hope is the defense will put him in much better spots where he isn't in man coverage against better athletes.  That will hopefully stop the parade of hate towards the linebackers this year.  

 

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