2018 Coaching Changes thread

[ELA]

so, 1 outa 3 ain't bad?

Huh?
I just included Nebraska and PSU to reiterate that PSU, Nebraska and Tennessee were my #8-10 schools on my helmet list in some order, but that my list of true helmets is only 7 deep.
I could have just said, this helps reaffirm my belief that Tennessee isn't QUITE a helmet, and left it at that.  There's a multitude of reasons, along with just gut feel, this debacle isn't making up my mind on it's own, it's just renforcing my already held belief.

[MrNubbz]

This has to be one of the weirdest offseason coaching scrums I can remember...

It's been a Tempest of turn over like no other

[Drew4UTk]

Huh?
I just included Nebraska and PSU to reiterate that PSU, Nebraska and Tennessee were my #8-10 schools on my helmet list in some order, but that my list of true helmets is only 7 deep.
I could have just said, this helps reaffirm my belief that Tennessee isn't QUITE a helmet, and left it at that.  There's a multitude of reasons, along with just gut feel, this debacle isn't making up my mind on it's own, it's just renforcing my already held belief.

i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.

[betarhoalphadelta]

And now UT fans are clamoring for the administration to bring Kiffin back, the coach who basically tarnished their helmet. 

[ELA]

i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.

I think when that discussion was going, the vast majority had Tennessee, Penn State and Nebraska in some order between #8 and #10 on their list, the only difference is only strictly you draw that line.  Is is below #7 or below #10.

[CatsbyAZ]

dumping Todd Graham- who by the way is a pretty good college coach despite what some people call his questionable "ethics" for Herm Edwards is baffling to me. Absolute insanity. Herm is 63 years old, he'll be 64 when next season starts, he's never been a college coach, his career winning % in the NFL at Kansas City and NYJ...wait for it.... .417% Yuck.

Made no sense to me either, but following up with a Phoenix buddy who works at ASU and who usually knows what he's talking about, he is saying...

...The AD, Ray Anderson wanted Graham fired last season but there wasn't enough support from the boosters or within the rest of the athletic department. So this season began with Graham effectively fired, even despite the better than expected 7-5 season. The reason he wants Graham out? Well Ray has this vision to change the way a college football program is staffed and coached. Hiring Herm is only a piece of Ray's larger vision to shift resources towards recruiting by hiring dozens of third party advisors to support this heavily resourced recruiting department. Ray also believes role of HC is to act as CEO and friendly face to the university brand while leaving the field-level coaching to all the assistants. Which explains why the terms of Herm's hiring mandate a retention of handpicked assistants. And also explains why Herm is taking this job if it seems he's on the older side or has been off the field too long to be ready for getting back into the weeds of the players and game planning.

[Drew4UTk]

And now UT fans are clamoring for the administration to bring Kiffin back, the coach who basically tarnished their helmet.

Hollywood couldn't make up a story as rich as this one, sir.  
and this is just what's on the surface... what's under is intrigue and deception- betrayal and conspiracy. 
it'll be a movie some day. 

[PSUinNC]

I think that last paragraph is a key point that can't be forgotten.

There's also some other factors which I don't think can be ignored... Namely if he moves to College Station, he's 90 minutes from Houston's medical complexes to include MD Anderson, which is one of the premiere cancer/rare disease centers in the world.  I'm not sure this is an insignificant point given the health of his son.  

It took damn near 30 years for Alabama to really pop out of Bear's shadow, wouldn't you say?  And it took a guy who's becoming almost equally as iconic (almost) to do it.  Even still, they won a title in that span and still all you see are houndstooth caps at the games.  
In an almost odd sense, the one thing PSU will be able to do much easier than either FSU or Bama is get out of Paterno's shadow b/c of obvious reasons.  

[MrNubbz]

Hollywood couldn't make up a story as rich as this one, sir.  
and this is just what's on the surface... what's under is intrigue and deception- betrayal and conspiracy.
it'll be a movie some day.

GlenGarry Glen Ross?

[PSUinNC]

A run of bad coaching hires might have knocked PSU out of the helmet perch, but O'Brien and Franklin were the right people at the right time.

Nailed it right with this sentence.  At both points, PSU was as close to an undesireable position as you could get in perception, yet they hit big (at least to this point) on both hires.  I guess my point is, if you're not a true blueblood, I don't think you get either guy and I don't think you recover anywhere close as quickly as Penn St did. 
The sanctions were meant to decapitate Penn State, let's not forget that.  Name me other schools that would have not just survived, but thrived within 5 years (the list is small).  

[PSUinNC]

i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.

Agree with this.  

[PSUinNC]

http://www.post-gazette.com/sports/zeise-is-right/2017/11/30/Todd-Graham-firing-arizona-state-herm-edwards/stories/201711300159

Decent read about Tood Graham.  Not sure what the ASU folks thinking.  

[MrNubbz]

If they go the interim for a season route it'll be Brady Hoke. Unless Hoke turns them down lol.

[rolltidefan]

i truly believe this; i'm not just trolling for response as i often do:
UT was a helmet between Fulmer and Kiffin.  Kiffin's leaving them the way he did opened people's eyes- you DON'T do that to a helmet school... it's a 'destination location' and where you're expected to retire (or move on to the retirement league from, anyway).  
His treatment of UT brought the notion forward, and not a little has happened to reinforce it.  a LOT has.
so... you're right.

2 things:
1 - tenn was, and still is, the next man out imo for helmet (along with neb and psu, i won't order them). those 3 were the only ones capable of firmly solidifying helmet status in the next 10-20 years. psu is the only one making strides to do that.
2 - can't blame kiffin or tenn for that move. each coach has a top tier school (or most) even among helmets. usc was that for kiffin. doesn't mean that school is better or whatever, just that for that coach it is "home". rarely does it come that a coach has that opportunity, but when it does, more often than not, the coach will take it. even rarer is when that opportunity comes after that coach gets a premier job. kiffin might be the only example of that.
i said this to a friend a few days ago. tenn fans and alum and most importantly the ad need to start being real. they need to put themselves in similar shoes as bama in 03. you need someone to come in and clean up the mess. bring respect back and make you competitive. after that, reevaluate. doesn't have to be the best coach and certainly not a homerun hire. bama was reeling cause of sanctions, ut from self inflicted wounds. both needed stability and respect restored.