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Topic: #15 Wisconsin (2-1, 4-2) at #12 Michigan (4-0, 6-1) Post Game

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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #28 on: October 10, 2018, 08:20:29 AM »
It's called cherry picking. 

Nobody in their right mind would take any of these guys over Haskins. 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #29 on: October 10, 2018, 08:20:46 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 10, 2018, 08:15:10 AM
While he does throw the ball on short passes, I completely disagree- respectfully- with that narrative. Seems like ever week Haskins gets a couple long TD passes into the end zone, like last week.
I went and read the PFF formula, and it is quite contrived.  As you mention, is does take into account “ time the ball is in the air”.  That penalizes a guy like Haskins  when he throws a bullet downfield that’s in the air about 2/3 of the time it would take most QBs to get it there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2v8jDTTRdHQ  Watch 47 second mark and again at 2:40 Mark..just to show a couple. Or better yet, take 5 minutes and watch the whole thing, and count how many of his TD throws were into the end zone bullets versu short passes the WR took to the house. Of the 6, 4 were thrown into the end zone and the other two were beauties that hit a guy in stride.

Not sure where this narrative is coming from, but Haskins has hit so many downfield TDs into the end zone this year I can’t even keep track of them any more.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #30 on: October 10, 2018, 08:21:39 AM »
Cool. An Ohio State thread. Just dandy.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #31 on: October 10, 2018, 08:24:12 AM »
Quote from: Mdot21 on October 10, 2018, 07:46:53 AM
Iowa's defense isn't Michigan's defense.  
No doubt, but it's a very good D line and it's a tough place to play at night. Posters here should know this.
Hopefully, playing Iowa's D line and the Iowa City night game helps UW this weekend, from a prep and confidence standpoint. 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #32 on: October 10, 2018, 08:24:19 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 10, 2018, 08:20:29 AM
It's called cherry picking.

Nobody in their right mind would take any of these guys over Haskins.
I don’t know about that, if I were running Wisconsin’s offense, I would want Hornibrook. And if I were running UM’s offense, I would take Patterson.
OSU has just decided to build the offense around Haskins arm talent and speed at WR, and you can’t fault them for that.  
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #33 on: October 10, 2018, 08:26:17 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2018, 08:21:39 AM
Cool. An Ohio State thread. Just dandy.
Not really. I am talking about Hornibrook and Patterson stats that were presented here.
If that’s not allowed in this football forum I will excuse myself.
Who pissed in your Wheaties  lately?
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #34 on: October 10, 2018, 08:34:55 AM »
How good is Hornibrook at throwing the ball on the run?   I think we're going to see a lot of that from both teams Saturday night.

Yes, we all know the Buckeye's QB is the best at everything and should win the Heisman for the next three years.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #35 on: October 10, 2018, 08:47:01 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 10, 2018, 08:34:55 AM
How good is Hornibrook at throwing the ball on the run?   I think we're going to see a lot of that from both teams Saturday night.

Yes, we all know the Buckeye's QB is the best at everything and should win the Heisman for the next three years.
The answer to that question is bad 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #36 on: October 10, 2018, 09:02:58 AM »
Quote from: Honestbuckeye on October 10, 2018, 07:23:18 AM
Hey, I have been a Hornibrook fan for a long time.  I am not saying they aren’t both excellent QBs, because stat number 1 is called winning.
I am just curious how those PFF advanced stats look like that when they seem to ignore every single measure that you would look at for a qb, including QBR both adjusted and unadjusted- which take specific situations into account.
It I recall correctly, they take every play, watch give it a semi-arbitrarily ranking (my brain says something like between 2 and negative 2 or something), compile them and then normalize them to 100. 
I don’t think they’re be-all end-all, but they’re interesting. I’d imagine Haskins might get hurt by some of the screen reliance? Like a screen pass that goes 70 gets receivers and blockers nice grades, but doesn’t get the QB bonkers numbers.
Maybe a windows thing factors in as well? OSUs run game and simple passing game tends to produce super open receivers and easy throws, while UW’s ends with more tight windows? I’m just spitballing. 
(Not arguing for or against their efficacy. But with that much data, there’s always something to cherry pick/be bothered by) 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #37 on: October 10, 2018, 09:08:50 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 10, 2018, 08:34:55 AM
How good is Hornibrook at throwing the ball on the run?   I think we're going to see a lot of that from both teams Saturday night.

Yes, we all know the Buckeye's QB is the best at everything and should win the Heisman for the next three years.
jesus lord- you cant even engage in a question about stats around here without people flipping out. 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #38 on: October 10, 2018, 09:13:44 AM »
Sorry, didn't mean to rustle your leaves.  I would say Haskins is a Heisman front runner at this point. 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #39 on: October 10, 2018, 09:18:06 AM »
Quote from: 847badgerfan on October 10, 2018, 08:21:39 AM
Cool. An Ohio State thread. Just dandy.
I understand France has some killer wine and cuisine and what not. Or maybe it was Italy. 
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #40 on: October 10, 2018, 09:22:41 AM »
Quote from: Temp430 on October 10, 2018, 09:13:44 AM
Sorry, didn't mean to rustle your leaves.  I would say Haskins is a Heisman front runner at this point.  
its ok Temp- I don't care about him in that way.  I truly didn't understand the stats from PFF that were posted, but I went and looked them up.
For this game- I see a GREAT offensive Line versus a GREAT defensive line as the key matchup.  Who can run the ball and possess it, and conversely who can stop the run.
Both teams are banged up- Badgers more so.
But I would favor the home team in this matchup and see no reason to think differently.
either way I cant wait to watch it.
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Re: #15 Wisconsin (2-0, 4-1) at #12 Michigan (3-0, 5-1) Game Week
« Reply #41 on: October 10, 2018, 09:30:35 AM »
Quote from: Brutus Buckeye on October 10, 2018, 08:20:29 AM
It's called cherry picking.

Nobody in their right mind would take any of these guys over Haskins.
How do you mean cherry picking? 
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